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And I am blown away by the fact that a NWA pilot would even bring up a topic of safety and flying in the same sentence. You guys flew even though you had SCAB mechanics working on your planes. Let's also not forget about the soap in the hydraulic system awhile back. Landing at the Military Base was also a fine display of superior airmanship. The list goes on chud, but I'll end it here.
 
Bitter Resentment KILLS

Folks... The Prussian hit it on the head. We, who are in the Airline world, live in an environment that continually barbs us with feeling Powerless and Inadequate. I honestly feel sorry for the guy who started this thread. He must be feeling all these things and has chosen the path of anger and resentment. It is very simple, when you feel destructive emotions like anger, resentment, guilt, anxiety or shame, you have 3 things you can do... 1. Attack, 2. Withdraw or 3. Approach.
Now, it is your God given right to Attack and "devalue" Southwest Airlines or devalue Military trained vs all civilian trained. Sure, it will give you a false sense of Power to numb your deep pain by attacking and being burned out with resentment; but you will feel like crap in the long run.
The complete lack of a balanced approach to the "safety culture" at Southwest is proof of the seething resentment evident in the Posters mind. All I can say is that no matter how you rant on flight info, you are not going to "bring down" Southwest or any other airline. All you are going to do is temporarily numb your pain of feeling inadequate. Unfortunately, your resentment will ALWAYS end up winding its way back to the ones you love the most. So...continue to flame away and the only person you hurt is yourself and your loved ones.
Every time one of you post something derogatory or in an "attacking" manner you lose a little bit of your humanity. Bit by bit. The choice is yours. You can "feel" powerful by saying something sarcastic, defensive or demeaning... but in the end...after the Beer and anger has worn off, you will feel even more powerless than before.
So.. go ahead and flame away! Every time you do it you just prove my point. Every time you attack and de-value, you just show the world how hurt you are.
We live in a very bad economic environment that has caused great stress and pain on ALL of us. We are ALL feeling powerless and inadequate right now. The best thing you could do to make your self feel better is to value yourself more right now instead of tearing somebody else down. Go figure out what you like most in life. Go do some charity work. Go volunteer in the community. Go do something nice for your wife. Go appreciate something in nature. Do something nice for yourself.
Do that and I guarantee that your resentment and anger will disappear and you will feel great! You will realize that Southwest or any other airline is not "out to get you". You will realize that your anger has "oversimplified" the problems at Southwest.
Or... just continue to be angry and resentful. Just continue to ignore your deep pain. Just continue to "flame" and respond with some sarcastic, "justified" response. In the end the only person you are hurting is yourself.
The road to psychological ruin begins with BLAME!
 
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Once upon a time, not so long ago...

Tommy used to work on the docks...
 
GuppyWN said:
I find that I can shave minutes off every day if I taxi well beyond the limits of our FAA approved FOM and ignore FAA controller instructions. It's worth it to me because I know the company would go to the mat to back a wild cowboy like me.

As an added bonus I find that flying right on the edge of Mach buffet and with the clacker going off not only makes me look cool to my passengers but ATC thinks I'm cool when I talk on the radio with said clacker in the background.

I'm a cowboy - on a REAL horse I ride. I'm wanted.... waaaanted.... dead or alive.

Gup
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Gup, I'd be honored to be your FO anytime! Fly Safe; and FAST!
 
A simple analogy to clear up some misunderstandings, suspend some normal thought however:

You are driving down the road and a policeman stops you and looks at your inspection sticker.

He says your car is not properly inspected. You show him the certificate in which the State of (fill in the blank) has certified this store as passing all tests to give car inspections. He says, sorry, you're going to be fined.

You chose the inspection station because the state gave them a license to do inspections. While you are smart with cars, you can't do all of the work.

End of analogy.

The FAA certified depot maintenance shop used faulty subcontractors.
Is the FAA responsible? Absolutely.
Is SWA responsible? Absolutely.
Joint responsibility and if SWA is wise, we scratch off this depot site for future work. Who knows why the unapproved part was used but eventually the FAA and Boeing approved of the fix as temporary, no sacrifice to safety. That was the bottom line but wasn't properly reported.

SWA flew aircraft that came from FAA approved maintenance facilities. The FAA caught the problem later and was addressed by all parties to the mutual agreement of all without jeopardizing safety or significantly altering operations. A win-win-win for SWA, FAA and passengers. A fault sub-contractor is now either going to fix things or folks will be unemployed now (maybe your neighbors or family members).


If the FAA thought the place was bad they owed it to SWA to notify all parties. At the end of the day it wasn't SWA folks working on the airplane (unlike the AA MD airplanes as I understand it...those were AA paid employees if I recall...no slam intended...just pointing out the difference), it was an FAA approved maintenance facility subcontractor who made the decision.

As stated, SWA manned up and is doing the right thing and learning from it. Safety must always be tweaked for improvements. I believe SWA is still the safest operations out there but hopefully everyone is operating as safe as can be. I believe there are nearly 6000 pilots out there doing the right thing every day as there are at other carriers.
 
This industry is cut throat with crappy margins and minimal profits in the best of times but with all we have in common as pilots you'd think we'd have at least some unity outside our individual companies. We'd be a force if we had just a shred of it. Instead, if you're in a good place we throw rocks at you. If you're in a bad place we roll boulders down on you. At least at SWA you can be happy you're just getting rocks thrown at you, I guess.
 
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MILPILOT17 said:
Scope, you need to see a professional for that little problem you're having;
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MILPILOT:
Your old lady takes care of my little problem....And it isn't so little;):laugh:

and remember, you can always re-apply at SWA. You have some serious issues!!!
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Thank God for Pay for training, because in your case it was the only way you could get hired.
 
38 years of flying and not one passenger ever killed on a SW flight. Hard to imagine how I feel safe in the back of their planes, isn't it.
 

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