SWA letters to

[boeingdriver213]

Want to bet those letters were generated by AA employees?

 

[redflyer65]

Most likely! This whole thing is BS. Give me a break.

Two major accidents in how many years with one fatality?

 

[vixin]

What a loser! Get a life aleady. Shall we compare safety records of NW VS. SW. I didnt think so. Dumbest thread of the year!

 

[tathagatha]

Well the opening post of this thread in now OLD news. SWA is now a branch of the USAF. SWA is are AA about 15 years ago. The automation will atrophy the flying over time and the safety records will normalize. Its all data driven...

The second letter has merit. The bean counters are gonna kill SWA. Farming out your maintenance or flying looks cheap but it AIN'T!!!

GL

 

[nimtz]

I've worked at 5 airlines and have 2 comments. The 4 previous all thought we had back channels to ATC. Ridiculous conspiracy theories. Never once considering the idea that maybe controllers are simply trying to move airplanes. I'll quote one controller I'm close with. 'damn right Swa gets priority. But it's no conspiracy, it's because they do what we ask them to- good or bad. Ask AA or UA anything and it's constant bellyaching. Vector out of the way for traffic- they're b!tching. Try to give them a short aproach it's 'unable- not safe-' you can't win. But Swa- if it can be done safely, they'll do it.'

ever thought that it's not about being cowboys- that it's your own attitudes on the line everyday that causes Swa to get favor? Maybe if you complained a little less and weren't so afraid to use your skill to do something that would help out (ie: instead of CONSTANTLY playing the safety card)- you'd get the breaks sometimes as well.

Yeah doing favors for controllers, like asking for direct anything to shave off a net 20 seconds or so. I heard a gaggle of SW bubbas suggesting directs and then whining about the vectoring going into Hobby yesterday because of weather west of Houston. It gets old, you'll get there when you freaking get there.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Which airline was it that landed at Ellsworth AFB when they meant to go to Rapid City, SD? Was that Delta or SWA?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

What are you worried about? Its takes you 30 minutes to get to the runway. Can you HOMOs taxi any slower?

Maybe if you HOMO's would fly/taxi a little slower you would stop going off the end of runways!

 

[brokedash]

Outside of the issue last year that grounded some of the 737s, I can't say there is anything extremely un-safe with WN. BTW that issue with the 737s was mainly a paperwork issue and not anything pyshicaly causing the planes to be un-airworthy.

Whoever wrote these letters seems to be taking their agressions about their dismal flying jobs on WN or they could have been written by AA execs.

 

[SOVT]

Most likely! This whole thing is BS. Give me a break.

Two major accidents in how many years with one fatality?

I'm sure the parents of that little boy would appreciate your cavalier attitude over the killing of their child.

 

[Cometman]

I'm sure the parents of that little boy would appreciate your cavalier attitude over the killing of their child.

I bet you are sorry you said that. That was a low blow. You can disagree without that kind of remarks. You owe him an apology.

 

[Quimby]

Hey jetflier,

Why dont you tell us how much better you guys are at NWA:

"A Northwest Airlines pilot's decision to shut down an engine, combined with a hydraulic problem, caused the May 2005 ground collision of two Northwest jets at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, federal investigators have concluded.
The Boeing DC-9 pilot's action just after landing in the Twin Cities meant that the plane lost all power to its steering, brakes and thrust reversers, causing it to strike an Airbus A319 that was being pushed back from a gate, according to a report issued last week by the National Transportation Safety Board.
The report detailed the events leading up to the accident and the investigation.
The DC-9, with 94 passengers on board, experienced problems with its right-side hydraulic system that powers its steering and brakes soon after leaving Columbus, Ohio. The captain decided to continue flying and declared an emergency as the plane neared the Twin Cities' airport.
After landing, the captain shut down the left engine, which powered the only fully functioning hydraulic system. As a result, the flight crew couldn't steer the plane or use the brakes and thrust reversers. The DC-9 hit a wing of the A319, with 38 passengers aboard, damaging the DC-9's cockpit and spilling fuel. Both planes were evacuated. The DC-9 pilot was seriously injured and seven passengers and crewmembers from both planes had minor injuries.
The NTSB report cited a "fatigue fracture" of the DC-9's rudder shutoff valve, which caused the loss of right-side hydraulic pressure, as a contributing factor in the accident.
Since the accident, Northwest developed an inspection procedure for its fleet in which "any rudder shutoff valve found to have a crack indication was replaced prior to further flight," said company spokesman Roman Blahoski. He declined to comment on the NTSB report.
A spokesman for Air Line Pilots Association at Northwest said the union could not comment on the report.
The NTSB report noted that Northwest recorded 38 instances of DC-9 rudder shutoff-valve housing failures from May 2000 to April 2005. "Northwest reported that they were aware of the cracked valve housings of the rudder shutoff valve prior to the accident" and after a 2003 analysis, according to the report. "The failure of the valve by itself was not determined to be a safety of flight issue and was therefore deemed solely a reliability issue."

Might wanna check your glass house, Jetflier.

 

[jetflier]

Glass House ? (huh) I just posted the letters of others from another web site that were quoted as being sent to Congress and the DOT.

Your comment about Glass Houses means that you agree that WN has some issues like NW Has. Good for you.

The topics of discussion are not aimed at you personally, why take it that way?

The airline industry as a whole has been going through many changes, most of which are controlled by the dollar and executives looking for bonuses to enhance their earnings at the expense of safety. We are the stop gap, period. Safety must come first for ourselves, our crew and most importantly, our passengers who pay our salary.

As professionals we are charged with the ultimate responsibility of the safety of the flight.

There are no options. Whatever decisions we make as PIC or SIC are final. Some of us play it close, weather for financial gain or other reasons, but the final responsibility remains with the crew.

There are turds at every airline and we all know that. Don't be a turd.

 

[Rickindfw]

Maybe if you HOMO's would fly/taxi a little slower you would stop going off the end of runways!

Your an idiot. Over 3000 flights a day and in 38 yrs, two incidents. GMAFB

 

[contrail67]

PURE BS and Flame Bait. SWA Has the best Safety record of any Major Airline that has been around for 38 years. You can spin it anyway you want. Maybe you need to learn how to "Hold Short"

No they don't.

 

[Skyboy722]

No they don't.

Well then Contrail, let's hear it....

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah doing favors for controllers, like asking for direct anything to shave off a net 20 seconds or so. I heard a gaggle of SW bubbas suggesting directs and then whining about the vectoring going into Hobby yesterday because of weather west of Houston. It gets old, you'll get there when you freaking get there.

Ask any controller who they'd rather work? Someone who clogs up the system bc they apparently won't do anything to save time-(paid by the minute...!)(protect the block!) or the occassional over zealous SW pilot looking to save time. at least atc knows 9 in 10 times we'll be ready and if the request is possible we'll be able to do it. the safety record speaks for itself.

I'm just saying the safety card is played way too much at the legacies that I've seen. It makes it harder to address real safety of flight items. Half the time you're simply padding your check bc your mgmt or union screwed you on the last contract. I'm not unsympathetic- do what you think you got to do- just leave sw out of it

 

[mhermann596]

PURE BS and Flame Bait. SWA Has the best Safety record of any Major Airline that has been around for 38 years.

How about ATA? Not a single hull loss the entire time they were in operation.

 

[Flopgut]

A few months back I had a "first". SWA asked center for something direct....for ME! "Hey center, why don't you give Continental a short cut so we can get one?" And the controller did it for them! Told me to go direct AEX, straight into the wx. I politely declined. Of course that made me the f-in legacy guy who pads his paycheck.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Your an idiot. Over 3000 flights a day and in 38 yrs, two incidents. GMAFB

Hey rick:
How about YOU'RE an idiot!
Good thing for PFT, because you'd have never gotten hired on english comprehension!

 

[Bringupthebird]

Sometimes in order to go the extra mile for the company, you end up going the extra 850 feet!