SWA; legacy airline

[humveedriver]

I noticed that most news articles and even airline pilot central.com dont refer to SWA as a legacy carrier. The only two requirements I found to be a legacy carrier were; exist before deregulation and be a low cost/low fare airline. Southwest has been around before 1978 an their tickets are of average price, sometimes more expensive. If anything I think US Airways should lose its legacy standing as it consistently offers the cheapest fares and has some of the lowest labor costs. I'm thinking less than two years SWA will get its proper recognition.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Who cares how someone defines your status. What does it matter?

 

[say again]

Then you can tell all your friends you fly for a "mighty" legacy carrier. It's also great with the women.

 

[Mad Dog 80]

SWA is the initial founder of low cost airlines, that's worth more than legacy status.

 

[rajflyboy]

SWA has weak profits now

Legacy carrier

 

[KarmaPolice]

Oh come on. Legacy means its been a major player since the early years of revenue air line companies. It's just a brand. The only people who give it meaning are the nerds who mock the term out of envy.

 

[scoreboardII]

Or want to incorrectly label an LLC with it.

 

[livin'thesim]

"Legacy software" is not necessarily considered to be a complimentary term.

 

[fam62c]

I think it means you have to have gone through a bankruptcy

 

[humveedriver]

"Legacy software" is not necessarily considered to be a complimentary term.

That's what my research showed. The use of "legacy" as an adjective started with computer software, which meant antiquated. I don't think it's a complimentary term. I just find it fascinating how the term startered and stuck in our industry. Legacy became the new major, I just can't remember when.

 

[Whine Lover]

"The only two requirements I found to be a legacy carrier were; exist before deregulation and be a low cost/low fare airline."

On what planet do you do your "research" ?



" A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes by the time of the route liberalization which was permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and was thus directly affected by that act. It is distinct from a low-cost carrier, (a term fostered as a form of disparagement against post deregulation start-up air carriers, and the traditional airlines once heavily unionized work groups) which in the United States are generally new airlines that were started to compete in the newly deregulated industry.
Typical characteristics of legacy carriers are that they provide a higher level of services than a low-cost carrier..."


A short and dirty explanation:

The "Legacy Airlines" were the REAL airlines BEFORE De-Reg.

You know, the ones that PAID their employees and provided a real SERVICE to their Customers.

Southwest and De-Regulation are what started the slide to the BOTTOM of this barrel....And NOW....The Bottom is The Top.

History sucks...But, total DENIAL is even worse. Get a Clue.

A 12 year old could do a better Book Report than your current assessment of this Industry.

Love,

Whine

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

No, legacy airlines have all been through bankruptcy and are now highly profitable. Neither describes WN.

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Southwest and De-Regulation are what started the slide to the BOTTOM of this barrel....And NOW....The Bottom is The Top. AGREED!!!

 

[Captain Morgan]

"The only two requirements I found to be a legacy carrier were; exist before deregulation and be a low cost/low fare airline."

On what planet do you do your "research" ?



" A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes by the time of the route liberalization which was permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and was thus directly affected by that act. It is distinct from a low-cost carrier, (a term fostered as a form of disparagement against post deregulation start-up air carriers, and the traditional airlines once heavily unionized work groups) which in the United States are generally new airlines that were started to compete in the newly deregulated industry.
Typical characteristics of legacy carriers are that they provide a higher level of services than a low-cost carrier..."


A short and dirty explanation:

The "Legacy Airlines" were the REAL airlines BEFORE De-Reg.

You know, the ones that PAID their employees and provided a real SERVICE to their Customers.

Southwest and De-Regulation are what started the slide to the BOTTOM of this barrel....And NOW....The Bottom is The Top.

History sucks...But, total DENIAL is even worse. Get a Clue.

A 12 year old could do a better Book Report than your current assessment of this Industry.

Love,

Whine

I couldn't have articulated it better myself!

 

[igneousy2]

Yea...what he said.

 

[humveedriver]

Actually Whine I looked at the same stupid Wikipedia article you quoted. Nothing there. Legacy just turned into a buzz word. I did learn something though or forgot and relearned. Prior to deregulation, new entrant airlines could only fly intra state, to avoid the CAB. They jus dealt with the state gov'ts. SWA didn't fly outside of TX until 1979 (New Orleans). So yeah, the may have been around prior to 1978, but they didn't or couldn't start to fly anywhere until after deregulation. I was a youngster when all that went down.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

No title

This is just another thread for the pea-brained egotistical SWA bashers to feed on

 

[rajflyboy]

hell yeah it is

 

[Whine Lover]

No. It most certainly is NOT.

Southwest Airlines is the greatest example of success in the Airline Industry.

Their labor productivity and managerial skills are the Model for the entire Industry in this country as well as many other parts of the World.

Their consistent profitability, "one aircraft" model for maintenance and training, and countless other innovations have been the Beacon to which other airlines have navigated by.

Nobody has done it better in the history of the Industry.

They innovate, adapt, survive, and conquer.....And allow others to learn.

They have a superior business model, people, and portfolios.

Sorry if I am "bashing" them too hard....

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HOWEVER...

They are NOT a Legacy Carrier Per Se. Nor, are they "What's wrong with this Industry".

See the distinction(s)?

History is exactly that....All that has happened before and led to this point.

There is NO blame.

Just....Well, "History".

Deregulation and SWA are HUGE part of this Industry's History...I would even venture to put forth that they have been the two largest factors which have brought us to where we are today.

JMHO.


YKMKR

 

[Whine Lover]

" I was a youngster when all that went down."

And, I take no umbrage with you Sir.

I suspected you were just misinformed after a cursory reading of a Wiki article.

My apologies if I sounded too harsh..

I only wish that I was either OLD enough to have experienced REAL airline flying....OR, YOUNG enough to think the current status thereof is "O.K".

I walk with the cursed, the damned.....Those who are old enough to know what once was and should be, and those who accept the new reality.

" You can't miss what you never had".

Unless....you had just a slight taste.






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