SWA, JB, Fedex Averages

[English]

Sensei and Falconjet make some good points. The only reason I can think of to lie on one's profile is because some people like to hide behind the anonimity of the internet. I think those on this board with accurate profiles know they can be "found out" and behave more appropriately, while others flame, post names and rip others to shreds and hide behind a false profile.

That would be an interesting way for the webmaster and moderators to keep the peace around here - actually require a true profile.

 

[Bill Nelson]

The only reason I can think of to lie on one's profile is because some people like to hide behind the anonimity of the internet. I think those on this board with accurate profiles know they can be "found out" and behave more appropriately, while others flame, post names and rip others to shreds and hide behind a false profile.

Well duh! Of course I wouldn't speak as pointedly if everyone knew who I was. That is the beauty of the internet. I don't say things that I wouldn't want to say in person, but the truth is that we can't always speak whats on our minds in person due to the reprocussions.

I have many very strong opinions on many things. Some I speak pointedly about and some I let die. This topic however, is one that people need to know the truth about, so I spoke up. Anyone who is mislead to believe that a degree is not very important is definetly being led down the wrong path.

How would you feel if your son was contemplating PFTing and nobody spoke up to tell him the dangers of doing that? I think most rational people would prefer to have someone "hide behind a false profile" and let him know that many PFTers are looked at no better than SCABS!

Thats all I am doing. Letting these folks with legitimate questions hear legitimate answers, only doing it from the shadows.

BTW Falcondriver,
If you think "most" people profiles are accurate, I've got some ocean front property I would like to sell you.

And English,
If hiding behind the anonimity of the internet is bad, I guess you will be changing your screename from English to your real name? Didn't think so. Nearly everyone on here posts behind a screename as not to be "found out."

 

[Falconjet]

Irrelevant point

Bill: You make an irrelevant point. I don't care whether the profiles are or aren't accurate. To justify your making yours up because basically YOU feel 'everyone else does' is YOUR problem, not everybody else's. My profile is 100% truthful, as is everything I have ever posted, and I would give everybody else the benefit of the doubt that there's is truthful as well. Sure, I take everything with a grain of salt, but for the most part people are trying to help inform others with their comments.

YOU may chose to believe (and post) whatever YOU want. Please don't lump me (nor everybody else) into your twisted sense of right and wrong. I can't think of a more cowardly excuse than to say that everybody else does it, so why can't I? It doesn't even work for 2 year olds, why do you think it should get you off the hook?

It is particularly disturbing that you would claim to have a background in the military when (if) in fact you haven't served. What a slap in the face to the true heroes who DO serve and are giving their lives up daily in the service of our country.

You can give your advice and opinions just as anonymously with a truthful profile as you can a fairly tale.

Bring on the ocean front property, I've got loads of cash to unload for somebody who knows everything about every person and their profile on this board.

FJ

 

[USNFDX]

My profile is completely accurate to........We'll except I may have left out how really good looking I am!!!!

 

[firstthird]

but have you perfected your new 'Blue Steel' look yet, all us fashion fans really want to know.

 

[AlbieF15]

USNFDX isn't baggin' you...like most of us FDX types he's a darn handsome fella. Having that third seat "lounge chair" keeps us fit and sexy even as we fly at 4 a.m.

While we are on it...some guys stay anonymous for safety or for other reasons (i.e...don't want company to know who is out there spreading gouge). Others of us, for business or personal reasons, are less anonymous. I have met a lot of great folks on this forum, including friends of friends, clients, and folks seeking help getting info on starting a military career.

Now...I'm not saying everyone on the board has to reveal their real identity. However, for those of you asking for info...you know who the real dudes are out there. By the same token, don't let the occassional diabtribe or negative comment dissuade you, especially if it from a small minded type who hides behind a screen name and fake credentials. Like the proverbial cartoons which show two middle aged men chatting on a sex chat site, both pretending to be 21 year old women, there are a host of phonies, jerks, and misanthropes who frequent these boards. However, aviation is filled with some awesome people who not only enjoy slipping the surlies, but like to share those expereinces with other folks attempting to do the same thing. Do a threat search and you'll see names like UAL78, Chase, EagleFlip, and a host of others who you can actually meet and get to know if you need some help.

And for what it's worth, I've had several clients who didn't have degrees that are now on the property at jetBlue. Swing for the fences and good luck. PM me if you need contact info...

It ain't that hard to be nice. Jeez...we fly jets for a living, don't we?

 

[Dizel8]

Jets are for Kids.

 

[johnny taliban]

Profile??

Maybe I am little biased considering that I am sitting in jail right now but I gotta say that I am not real big on PROFILING these days

Johnny

 

[Sensei]

OK, it's very clear that even with a college degree in civil engineering that I that I need to keep my pocket dictionary handy (or the roll of toilet paper with one new word per day) handy to translate Albie's posts (ex: diabtribe and misanthropes) for I am but an unfrozen caveman pilot. Your flying machines frighten and confuse me, but his I do know...Albie speaketh the truth even if I have to look up half of the stuff he writes.

Preach on my brother!

Sensei

PS yes I've been drinking tonight.

 

[Dizel8]

. Do a threat search and

I thought the Dept. of Homeland Security was in charge of that!

 

[English]

And English,
If hiding behind the anonimity of the internet is bad, I guess you will be changing your screename from English to your real name? Didn't think so. Nearly everyone on here posts behind a screename as not to be "found out."

Well, Bill or whoever you are...English IS my name...would you like to see my birth certificate? So, I'm not posting behind a veil of anonimity.

I take it your name is not Bill Nelson? Didn't think so.

 

[Bill Nelson]

There is no sense arguing a moot point anymore. Everyone has their own rhyme and reason for all they do. I hope everyone the best of luck in their pursuit of happyness.

Don't foget to pray for our fallen brothers on this day of Memorial. Enjoy your BBQ and Beer but try to keep those that are keeping us safe in your thoughts.

Have a great Holiday.

Bill

 

[English]

How CONVENIENT....

 

[Bill Nelson]

How CONVENIENT....

You Sir are a jackass!

 

[English]

No, I think what you are angry about is that some of us have called you on your behavior, and you feel threatened. You then proceeded to defend your actions by throwing blame on the rest of us, and then you accused me of hiding behind my screen name. When I pointed out your fallacy, and that my screenname is my real name, you pretended as if you had never levelled that accusation against me and the rest of us.

If you are going to sling, at least have the decency to apologize when you discover you have made a mistake. Throwing vulgar names at me because you are angry at being publicly humiliated is not the right way to live.

 

[LEROY]

hook line and sinker

Don't let some pimple-faced, internet-over-exposed wannabe "lure" you all into replying. It's obvious here that "one of these kids is not like the others..."
To get back on track for this thread, most airline websites say up front whether or not a college degree is required. I would think that recency of experience and a good recommendation could trump the lack of a 4 year degree.
BTW, in my humble opinion, anyone who made it through bubble-head school (USN Nuke power) has WAY more than enough grey matter to make it through college. Albeit you might still be glowing green and not be able to have kids...

 

[English]

I agree. I just looked at some of the profiles of recent SWA interviewees on www.aviationinterviews.com, and several did not have a degree.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Ya, I looked at that site too. Looks like one (1) person has been hired since 2002 that didn't have a degree. That just illustrates the point I was trying to make. People who think a degree doesn't matter are either way misinformed or in severe denial. I am not saying it doesn't happen but it doesn't happen often.

 

[TonyC]

Did I just see that?!?!?

. Do a threat search and

I thought the Dept. of Homeland Security was in charge of that!

Careful there Dizel - - you might be accused of being a spelling nazi ! !


DOH !

 

[Bill Nelson]

Ya, I looked at that site too. Looks like one (1) person has been hired since 2002 that didn't have a degree.

Ole English!,

What, did the facts stump you? You have been here off and on all day. No reply?

I tried to bow out of the fight and you wouldn't let me. Now that the facts as "you" quoted them are on the table you have no response. Well, to tell you the truth, I didn't expect much anyway.

You fellas have a good day.

 

[English]

Pardon me while I pull on your pony tail...

From the aviationinterviews.com website....

1.
Date of interview (year, month, day): 2004-03-18 Date interview was submitted (year, month, day, time): 2004-03-23 22:14:18 Were you hired as a result of this interview? yes Total flight time: 4038 PIC flight time: 3710 PIC TURBINE flight time: 3200 Instrument flight time: 0 Total multi engine flight time: 1240 Did someone walk in your application/ resume? no How many letters of recommendation did you bring? 5 Are you a CFI? no Are you a CFII? no Are you a MEI? no Are you an ATP? Did you complete the ATP written? Are you an FE? Did you complete the FE written? How long after you sent your resume were you called? 4 weeks Do you have a college degree? other Do you have a military background? yes What is your current job? OTHER What is your age? 42 What aircraft were you assigned? 737 If you were hired what is your training date? 2004-06-01


2.
Date of interview (year, month, day): 2002-02-06 Date interview was submitted (year, month, day, time): 2002-02-07 14:27:48 Were you hired as a result of this interview? waiting to hear Total flight time: 4500 PIC flight time: 0 PIC TURBINE flight time: 0 Instrument flight time: 0 Total multi engine flight time: 3800 Did someone walk in your application/ resume? How many letters of recommendation did you bring? 0 Are you a CFI? no Are you a CFII? no Are you a MEI? no Are you an ATP? Did you complete the ATP written? Are you an FE? Did you complete the FE written? How long after you sent your resume were you called? 9 weeks Do you have a college degree? no Do you have a military background? no What is your current job? 135 What is your age? 33 What aircraft were you assigned? B-737 If you were hired what is your training date? 2002-03-03

3.
Date of interview (year, month, day): 2002-02-04 Date interview was submitted (year, month, day, time): 2002-02-08 09:27:35 Were you hired as a result of this interview? waiting to hear Total flight time: 4450 PIC flight time: 0 PIC TURBINE flight time: 0 Instrument flight time: 0 Total multi engine flight time: 2890 Did someone walk in your application/ resume? How many letters of recommendation did you bring? 0 Are you a CFI? yes Are you a CFII? yes Are you a MEI? yes Are you an ATP? Did you complete the ATP written? Are you an FE? Did you complete the FE written? How long after you sent your resume were you called? 10 weeks Do you have a college degree? 2 year Do you have a military background? no What is your current job? 121 What is your age? 29 What aircraft were you assigned? 737 If you were hired what is your training date? 2001-01-01

4.
Date of interview (year, month, day): 2002-01-14 Date interview was submitted (year, month, day, time): 2002-01-24 18:03:30 Were you hired as a result of this interview? waiting to hear Total flight time: 5800 PIC flight time: 0 PIC TURBINE flight time: 0 Instrument flight time: 0 Total multi engine flight time: 3900 Did someone walk in your application/ resume? How many letters of recommendation did you bring? 0 Are you a CFI? yes Are you a CFII? no Are you a MEI? no Are you an ATP? Did you complete the ATP written? Are you an FE? Did you complete the FE written? How long after you sent your resume were you called? 10 weeks Do you have a college degree? no Do you have a military background? yes What is your current job? OTHER What is your age? 42 What aircraft were you assigned? B737 If you were hired what is your training date? 2001-01-01

5.
Date of interview (year, month, day): 2001-12-11 Date interview was submitted (year, month, day, time): 2002-02-15 09:45:46 Were you hired as a result of this interview? yes Total flight time: 4290 PIC flight time: 0 PIC TURBINE flight time: 0 Instrument flight time: 0 Total multi engine flight time: 3500 Did someone walk in your application/ resume? How many letters of recommendation did you bring? 0 Are you a CFI? no Are you a CFII? no Are you a MEI? no Are you an ATP? Did you complete the ATP written? Are you an FE? Did you complete the FE written? How long after you sent your resume were you called? 10 weeks Do you have a college degree? 2 year Do you have a military background? no What is your current job? 121 What is your age? 35 What aircraft were you assigned? 737! If you were hired what is your training date? 2001-03-01

6.

Date of interview (year, month, day): 2001-07-09 Date interview was submitted (year, month, day, time): 2001-11-30 02:57:36 Were you hired as a result of this interview? yes Total flight time: 4200 PIC flight time: 0 PIC TURBINE flight time: 0 Instrument flight time: 0 Total multi engine flight time: 2700 Did someone walk in your application/ resume? How many letters of recommendation did you bring? 0 Are you a CFI? yes Are you a CFII? yes Are you a MEI? yes Are you an ATP? Did you complete the ATP written? Are you an FE? Did you complete the FE written? How long after you sent your resume were you called? 1 weeks Do you have a college degree? 2 year Do you have a military background? no What is your current job? 121 What is your age? 31 What aircraft were you assigned? 737 If you were hired what is your training date? 2002-01-03

 

[Eagle-ista]

It's the bottom of the ninth, let's look at the scoreboard...

Ok, Bill,

1) You can't count. (English 1, Willie 0)
2) You can't tell the truth about the aircraft you fly. (FalconJet 1, Willie 0)
3) Tried to call English on the fake name issue, and lost. (English 2, Willie 0)
4) Failure to accept a graceful exit when it was right in front of you (no score awarded, too tough to add up)

Having a "bad" day?

You were called out, busted and you could have just said... "OK, I was wrong". But you missed that lesson in OCS, didn't you?

BTW, you can flame me all you want, I have no dog in this fight... but at least I didn't lie about my profile!

 

[Bill Nelson]

1) You can't count. (English 1, Willie 0)
2) You can't tell the truth about the aircraft you fly. (FalconJet 1, Willie 0)
3) Tried to call English on the fake name issue, and lost. (English 2, Willie 0)
4) Failure to accept a graceful exit when it was right in front of you (no score awarded, too tough to add up)


Maybe you and your english wife shouldn't smoke so much crack.

1)I count just fine, you and your wife obviously can't. Looks like one (1) person has been hired since 2002 that didn't have a degree. That just illustrates the point I was trying to make. Look at the date before you start spouting off at the mouth. I said since 2002. (Willie 1, eagle-ista and wife 0)
2)I figured anyone with a 3rd grade education would realize that I was spoofing. Of course everyone knows that the bottom of the UPT class would get the B-52 and the top would get the F22. Not many folks can graduate top and bottom of their class at the same time. That was a nobrainer. Call that one a tie. I should have specified so you "slower" types could understand it was a joke. (Willie 1, eagle-ista and wife 0)
3)I will concede I was wrong about the name. (I just thought you seemed more like a militant Syrian than English) (Willie 1, Eagle-ista and wife 1)
4)I pressed on when I was right! Eagle-ista and wife continue to argue a point they can't make. (Willie 2, Eagle-ista and wife 1)

BTW Eagle-ista,
What is the score card on the demestic disputes between you and English? Makes you wonder who has the sock in their pants. I'm just kidding. I don't want to make it any harder on you than it probably already is. I'm sure she is a handful to deal with on a daily basis. I'm just glad I can turn here nonsense off by turning the monitor off. Sorry fella, you can't turn her off.

 

[SpeedBird]

Oh I can just hear the wailing from all the good folks assigned to a B-52 out of UPT. Nice going Bill you just added another group to the " I Hate Bill Nelson" fan club.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Well unfortunately I don't know how to edit with the new forum format so when I think out loud it gets me in trouble sometimes.

I never said there weren't good guys in the Buff, I know some who are great guys. What I said is they usually come from the bottom of the class (most people don't join the AF and "dream" of flying the Buff. BTW, being at the bottom of your class doesn't mean you are not a great guy or a great pilot)) I am sure there is an exception to the rule, there always is.

However, it should have been obvious from the get-go I was playing about my profile. I am sorry to anyone who might get butthurt over this thread.

So either get over it or don't. Either way doesn't change the fact that you need a degree to be competitive in this industry. (Thats what started this whole thread. You guys are soooo angry) Have a beer and relax!

 

[TonyC]

Men Behaving Badly

Well unfortunately I don't know how to edit with the new forum format so when I think out loud it gets me in trouble sometimes.

The WEBMASTER made a wise decision to NOT allow editing of posts after about 10 minutes, so what you say STAYS. Perhaps it's time to start taking responsibility for what you say, clean up your act, so to speak.

 

[Bill Nelson]

The truth only hurts if it should.

I think thats the quote of the day.

Thats why I don't feel too bad about my posts. They may strike a nerve with some, but that is usually because they don't like to hear the truth about their situation sometime. (Read: Not having a degree makes you not as competitive) I only speak the truth as I see it.

 

[pilotyip]

college degree?

Did I see a post of someone getting a a job at a major without a college degree? I think I might have mentioned that one or twice on this site. Where is the avaition industry headed? If skyhogg is truely a Nuc power grad, college should be a cake walk to him, and he should not let the pusuit of the degree interfear with going after the job he wants. The degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. TJ PIC gets you the job, and at few select places you need the degree to get the interview. I served with "Nukies" when I was doing my OOD (U) qual on CVAN-65 (old days) and they were some of the smartest, hardest wroking, get the job done guys I have ever met in my life. They are normally very successful.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

The truth only hurts if it should.
(Read: Not having a degree makes you not as competitive) .

You CANNOT argue with that logic. THREAD OVER!!!

 

[roughneck]

The lady from Aloha sure is a tough customer. She must either have a PHD or a GED because she sure makes lots of noise over a degree. That must mean that she either has lots of schooling or none.