SWA / Frontier Deal Off For Now!

[Mach 80]

Apparently some of the FAPA leadership read too many business articles insinuating it was essential for SWA that SWA take over Frontier.

Guess what F9 -- it's not essential. SWA will do fine without F9. What's more interesting will be to see how F9 (pilots) will now do without SWA.

 

[Flying the Line]

I heard republic is going to sell 49% to southwest.

 

[stall022]

Southwest has won out either way.

If the pilots settle, Southwest gets rid of the competition in Denver.

If the pilots do not settle, Southwest got a great look at all the insider financial data and information they will later need to kill whatever is left of Frontier (Mesa vs. Aloha, Except Southwest will be a lot smarter about the whole thing).

 

[The Victors]

I'm sure that a seniority list staple with RAH will be a much better option for the F9 guys. What are the FO rates at republic again?? Does that comes with a new backpack??

 

[SkiMoguls]

To SWA, or not to SWA

I was just flying with a very senior guy, and asked him about the Morris deal, and how their pilots felt about the the staple. He said that they weren't a very happy bunch at the time, BUT there is NOT 1 ex-Morris pilot here at SWA today, (making 220k+/YR.) that is not happy about being stapled to the bottom.

That's what it boils down to...Pride vs. Reality! Pride lands you a job at Home Depot. If I were at F9, I'd be fighting to get someone at FAPA who actually gives a $hit about they're own on this deal.

I hope F9 doesn't turn out to be FZERO with RAH... or at all for that matter.

Cheers,

Ski

 

[krewmeel]

Southwest has won out either way.

If the pilots settle, Southwest gets rid of the competition in Denver.

If the pilots do not settle, Southwest got a great look at all the insider financial data and information they will later need to kill whatever is left of Frontier (Mesa vs. Aloha, Except Southwest will be a lot smarter about the whole thing).

Just keep in mind that if they are caught using this information as a competitive advantage then Gary Kelly and his Texan buddies go to prison.

Also, after WN management looked at our books and examined our cost structure, they still wanted to proceed with the deal. Our costs (CASM ex-fuel) are lower than theirs, and we have a superior product.

We also have customer loyalty that has been elusive to them in the Denver market.

 

[The Victors]

Just keep in mind that if they are caught using this information as a competitive advantage than Gary Kelly goes to prison...

Thanks for the update law and order re-run loser

 

[Porch]

WTF is wrong with these MORONS!!!!! FAPA PLEASE GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER AND QUIT THIS BS.

 

[OurMoney1]

Southwest brothers just keep it clean. You are all gentleman, dont lose sight of this fact. As is always the case leadership from both sides has determined individuals futures, but now is not the time to insult and wish ill will. So they go to Republic, so be it, the cards were dealt, they didnt like them so they walked from the table. It is their choice no matter how poor you percieve the choice to be. The Democratic process once again danced with fate and we have an outcome. Be civil, we are all professionals, and set an example for others to follow.

 

[shagadelic]

This is drawing to a close rapidly. I would sure love to see us acquire F9 as a Denver guy, but not under the terms FAPA seems to want to dictate. If you don't want the job security and pay increase that comes with being hired at the most financially stable airline in the country, then pack sand and enjoy your regional. I'm over this. This will go down as the most monumentally stupid thing a pilot union has done. Good luck.

 

[krewmeel]

Thanks for the update law and order re-run loser

Your welcome

 

[sluggo]

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[waveflyer]

No- you don't get it.
This is a line in the sand - turning this down is the equivalent of throwing down the guantlet. Whether that's your intention or not won't matter. It's what it will be. Yesterday there was a relative peaceful existence- tomorrow that's not what you'll have.

It's not about class- it's a capitalistic society and wn is competing and couldn't care less what others think about that.

So ask yourself- be part of southwest or it's worst enemy? Do you think RAH money will let you grow? Think wn will allow one bit of growth out of whatever you become? Forget about SWA's money- do you think under RAH mgmt you'll have the passion to compete with our people?


Here's to hoping that f9ers have enough phones to make it clear to their FAPA reps what their wishes are. You're betting the company on this one.

 

[Poahi]

No- you don't get it.
Swa peacefully coexisted- there's no going back to that. You accept the deal or you don't- but don't turn it down thinking that you didn't create a rallying cry. That rah's piddly infusion of cash will be enough against our people. I mean forget about our money for a second- do you really think that under RAH mgmt you have the passion to compete with us?

If that's really SWA's strategy - an ego driven turf war, it's a 180 degree turn in the strategy that made SWA the powerhouse it is today. This is clearly a turning point in SWA's history and a confirmation of some of the comments from airline analysts.

 

[kwick]

When Morris was bought SW was in a growth mode and upgrades were running about 6 years.

Now, with over 500 airplanes, growth is relatively slow, upgrades will be in the 15-20 year range.

The only way to preserve the SW "culture" , which is fueled by growth and fast upgrades, is by buying Captain slots for their F/Os. at the expense of others. Such as Frontier pilots.