SWA f/o arrested for intoxication

[sandman2122]

I'm sure the media won't cover the story about him if/when he gets the charges dropped and goes back to work.

The wonderful drive-by media.

 

[Sluggo_63]

I have a couple of problems with the "process" by which many of our brethren are being snagged (in addition to having a problem with some of our brethren who are showing up to work snookered).

If the TSA bloodhounds smell something they don't like, they should take the guy aside right then and there. They shouldn't be allowed to wait until he "boards an aircraft." The way they do it now...tailing the pilot to see what he's gonna do and snagging him when he turns left at the bottom of the jetbridge...is utter crap.

Playing Devil's advocate here... if I remember correctly, when the first in the recent rash of TSA smelling pilots drunk happened in 2002, the TSA did just what you suggested. They pulled the pilot aside and called the cops. There was a tremendous outcry on this board that "they aren't trained for that" and "they have no right to detain someone for being drunk." Well it looks like they learned, and now if they smell something that they think is alcohol, they let the crewmember pass, and call the authorities. I don't like it, but I think they're not doing anything that a passenger wouldn't do who smelled something 'funny.'

It's also funny/sad that whenever a story breaks like this, people always write "if he was sober, he should sue." When have they ever turned out to be sober? Booze smells like booze, and mouthwash smells like mouthwash. If they smell booze... they probably smell booze.

What do I know, I'm a cargo guy and hardly ever have to deal with the TSA anyhow.

 

[Skybus]

Actually you are mistaken. Between work and commuting I pass through their domain at least 5 days a week if not more. The issue here is NOT the TSA rather the behavior of the pilot. I can assure you without having any more inside company information than you have ,it is highly unlikely that anybody would be jailed if they did not blow above the legal limit. Should this ever prove not to be the case I will extend my humble apology. Why are all these folks crucifying the TSA here?? Hitting a little too close to home perhaps??

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I wonder if wearing one of those Michael Jackson masks while walking through security would raise suspicion?

 

[Ty Webb]

It's also funny/sad that whenever a story breaks like this, people always write "if he was sober, he should sue." When have they ever turned out to be sober? Booze smells like booze, and mouthwash smells like mouthwash. If they smell booze... they probably smell booze.

Uh, I know of at least three people that have been pulled aside and given a breathalyzer. They were all negative- all three.

Also, the breathalyzer available at some airports doesn't get used very often, if ever, and often is not calibrated as it should be. One airport even has a Barney Fife with a little $50. Radio Shack Home Alcohol Detector that he has used on pilots passing through there in the wee hours. I would insist on a calibrated machine, or a blood sample.

I believe you have the right to request they draw blood instead. I would call my CP to confirm that procedure is available, and if so, request it. Get away from the circus environment of the airport, to a hospital. Also, you now have medically-trained witnesses to the fact that you did not appear to be intoxicated, which could be important if the results are negative or the samples lost or corrupted somehow. Same advice for a roadside DUI stop.


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[Dennis Miller]

Why are all these folks crucifying the TSA here??

Did you end up on the "Pilots" message board by accident?

 

[bluejuice787]

I heard the TSA "nail technicians" get a bonus if they snag a drunk pilot. Anyone know?

Chef-

You usually have some funny observation but this is just ignorant. Why not do our industry a favor and not come to work drunk...Oh and I assure you that the TSA in mass does not think JB pilots are what you suggest because of your actions, I am sure they can see an individual ass. Most pilots that I see (JB or not) are friendly and cordial and see the bigger picture, but I am sure you put those nasty TSA in their place.

At the end of the day the TSA is trying to serve a vital function with limited funds and perhaps undereducated screeners but if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear.

Chef, I think you need to grow up a little.

Juice

 

[bluejuice787]

Uh, I know of at least three people that have been pulled aside and given a breathalyzer. They were all negative- all three.

OK and what is the problem? Other than the minor inconvenience what happened? My guess is nothing.

Juice

 

[CA1900]

OK and what is the problem? Other than the minor inconvenience what happened? My guess is nothing.

You mean aisde from being falsely accused of drunk flying by an overpaid wand monkey on a power trip?

 

[GuppyWN]

I start laying down a fart cloud when I toss my bag on the belt. I've never had a problem.

Gup

 

[Blucher]

Chef-


At the end of the day the TSA is trying to serve a vital function with limited funds and perhaps undereducated screeners but if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear.

Chef, I think you need to grow up a little.

Juice

Juice,

Please tell me you don't actually believe the TSA has ever actually done anything productive. With all due respect, to refer to them as serving "a vital function" is borderline insane.

-Blucher:erm:

 

[bluejuice787]

Juice,

Please tell me you don't actually believe the TSA has ever actually done anything productive. With all due respect, to refer to them as serving "a vital function" is borderline insane.

-Blucher:erm:

Perhaps they do absolutly nothing with regard to keeping us safe but the flying public believes they do. I happen to believe that both the perception and reality of safety are "vital".

 

[twepilot]

A minor inconvenience???? Lets see...I could lose my job, my future finincial security, my kids ability to attend college on my nickel, my house , my cars, my toys, do I need to go on? As Guido the killer pimp once said, " Don't ever, EVER, Eff with a mans livelihood."

RV

 

[bluejuice787]

A minor inconvenience???? Lets see...I could lose my job, my future finincial security, my kids ability to attend college on my nickel, my house , my cars, my toys, do I need to go on? As Guido the killer pimp once said, " Don't ever, EVER, Eff with a mans livelihood."

RV

Ohh, OK so you are talking about being "set-up". Now I get it, there are a bunch of TSA screeners that are organizing to destroy the careers of airline pilots.

Are you people serious? Just don't come to work drunk. It really is that simple. If you happen to be asked to take a breath test, do it, test negative and then go on your way.

Juice

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Chef-

You usually have some funny observation but this is just ignorant. Why not do our industry a favor and not come to work drunk...Oh and I assure you that the TSA in mass does not think JB pilots are what you suggest because of your actions, I am sure they can see an individual ass. Most pilots that I see (JB or not) are friendly and cordial and see the bigger picture, but I am sure you put those nasty TSA in their place.

At the end of the day the TSA is trying to serve a vital function with limited funds and perhaps undereducated screeners but if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear.

Chef, I think you need to grow up a little.

Juice

Excuse me? I ask a question and this is what I get? Reread the thread -- I said I don't talk to them because I am wary of their procedures/policy. I don't fly drunk nor do I push the limits, but that doesn't mean I couldn't be pulled aside like so many others because of some wayward suspicion (mouthwash for example). My question about "nail technicians" is just that, a question. As for calling them "nail technicians", I am merely expressing my opinion about quite a few I have seen (and I am using another poster's phrase at that), not jetblue's.

"Gorilla -- you got it. I look at them with a blank stare, no hellos no how ya doin, nothing. I refuse to talk to TSA, which probably only makes them think jb pilots are rude, but I refuse to have one of those jagnuts point a finger at me for gargling with mouthwash."

That's my original post. Where do you come off bluejuice? No where in my "contract" does it say I have to talk to people. Ha.

If you want to discuss my "ass", PM me. It's quite breathtaking.