SWA culture!

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Re-read what I wrote- I said I hadn't mentioned my SLI expectations since 2010, when our respective MC/NC's asked us not to.

That's why it is irrelevant.

Sheesh. :erm:

Where you would be smart to abstain from SLI discussions is on your internal board. Too late for that though.

 

[Tripower455]

You're kidding yourself if you believe this pilot group, including the FOs, will vote to approve a deal that knocks a relatively senior captain like Ty out of his seat. The idea of any captain losing his seat is absurd.

One of the reasons that Ty is a relatively senior Capt is due to the massive attrition to other airlines, including (gasp) SW, that AAI has had since it's inception.

Certainly, this will play into the whole SLI picture.

 

[waveflyer]

You're kidding yourself if you believe this pilot group, including the FOs, will vote to approve a deal that knocks a relatively senior captain like Ty out of his seat. The idea of any captain losing his seat is absurd.

Says the man who does not like to fly. Who, instead of paying his dues, building time an earning his first job, paid tens of thousands to sit in the right seat at Gulfstream- gladly taking a short cut. Who has always taken jobs at crappier companies. Who got recalled from his AT office for interfering with the SLI. Who still holds an executive position at ALPA national and has larger aspirations.

Everytime you post PCL, you prove what everyone knows- that ALPA national has ZERO motivation to smoothly integrate, and will attempt to poison the culture at swa through the SLI by raising expectations hoping to weaken a competitor- while simultaneously winning points with remaining ALPA members by fighting the good fight against SWA. (regardless if that fight or those expectations are good for AT pilots.)

Good luck.

For those at AT who don't have agendas- do not buy it. Get on the list. I can't say it any clearer or any other way- you don't want to regret pushing too hard - get on the list. Have a good attitude. Show up. Work hard. Take care of everyone you see while at work. Become part of the family. Get on the list.

Lear, from the snapshot, swa continued to hire in 2008 several months longer than AT did. There are several hundred FOs at WN who would be placed junior to your bottom guy w/ straight DOH- the bottom FOs at AT were furloughed in '09- for how long? So there's a time of service/longevity issue there too. Like it or not- Im an '07 hire and I haven't talked to anyone who will accept CJ not having several hundred AT under him, if not all FOs. And yes, fences, seat protections, $$, all are options to keep costs down for swa and keep status quo for the transition- we don't hate you guys- we just know what you will experience- so there's little patience for any crap of you guys somehow not being happy and we understand and value what you're getting by becoming SWA pilots. It seems like some on here have a lot of fear. And I wish I could alleviate that- but if fear makes you more aggressive, more hard-line, then FDR is correct again when he said the only thing to fear is fear itself.
Keep that in mind when the aggressive hard-liners try to sell you their fear. Get on the list and do it smiling. I'll buy the wild turkey.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Lear, your post was well thought out. It at least shows that you are willing to try to make it fair and equitable for both sides. I am a senior FO that will be affected and would sure take a look at a scenario like that. The devil would be in the details.

Good luck to us ALL!

 

[Ty Webb]

Hose, you're obviously only interested in mud-slinging.

Comparing integration with a small turboprop operator and a major airline is obviously wasted time.

Likewise, there are no SLI discussions on our internal board..... Apparently, you need a new mullah to hand you your talking points.

 

[waveflyer]

Hose, you're obviously only interested in mud-slinging.

Comparing integration with a small turboprop operator and a major airline is obviously wasted time.

Surprisingly, you must not have access to our internal board, or you'd know there are no SLI threads there.

Agreed, now if AT bought Virgin....?

 

[Ty Webb]

Agreed, now if AT bought Virgin....?

Honestly, if they brought the appropriate number of planes/pilots and weren't shrinking or losing money and even had more aircraft ordered, what would I care? No bump, no flush, and some fences...... Done.

Of course, I'm just a plain belly sneetch...

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

likewise, there are no sli discussions on our internal board.....

mmbwwaaaa haaa haaaaa haaa!!!

 

[Dan Roman]

Todd,

So if AirTran had purchased the seat that you paid for at Gulfstream, you should have become an AirTran captain after integration. Anything else would be absurd. Is this what you are saying? Ty, do you care to opine on this one?

I predict crickets...

I'm not sure which is stranger, that you would somehow think AirTran buying a turboprop regional is the same as an SWA/AirTran merger or that you think your reasoning is so sound that you predict crickets.

Seems to me fences are going to be the answer. I totally understand SWA F/O's not wanting AirTran guys coming in and taking their upgrade seat and of course their is no justification for a SWA F/O thinking he is going to go to ATL and take an AirTran Captains seat away from someone. I believe that is defined as a windfall, which it is the arbitrators job to mitigate.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

I agree that the Gulfstream/AAI hypothetical is absurd. That was by design. Not because GS flies turboprops, but because of their place on the career progression ladder. GS is an entry level "job" (I use that term loosely). AAI is a stepping stone job.

AAI is a stepping stone job, SWA is a "destination" job.

Applicable analogy, albeit with a little hyperbole.