SWA culture!

[scarlet]

It will be...No one here at AT, is saying that I know of, lets try and screw those guys !! No we are like lets work this out and move on.

It will be addressed ! People have to think about all the bases too, you life is not going to change, but maybe more profits, more profit sharing and hopefully more matching in the old 401K

Be safe out there.

 

[dicko]

WTF is up with your pics? First thing I thought of was Panda Express! ghetto style! LOL!

Better now ...... ?

imp:

 

[Tripower455]

No we are like lets work this out and move on.

Of course you are. If I were at AAI, I'd think exactly the same way, for all the obvious reasons.....

On our side, not so much.

 

[Dash Power]

How are SWA pilots taking a loss in pay? Nothing is going to change- you will come to work, work your 3 day/ 4 day and go home.

It will be addressed ! People have to think about all the bases too, you life is not going to change,

It is this rationalization that pumps our concerns into the stratosphere.

Your crystal ball analogy is not something any SWA pilot will count on. We are going to protect our careers with what is known before we have any concern for yours. Gary shares our concerns and not yours. We are SWA and you are not, for now.

If you are a guarantee for increased profits and growth, why are your profits consistently anemic and recent growth marginal. Didn't you have guys on furlough last year or so? This deal could actually harm SWA. (a huge, rationalized concern for the pilots of SWA) There is no guarantees in the airline business. You are ignorant to think otherwise.

I hope both sides come to negotiated agreements with all their seniority based work groups. The alternative could be quite damaging to one our both of the interested parties.

 

[texman]

Better now ...... ?

imp:

Drop it like its hot! Dammmm

 

[Dan Roman]

Seriously Dan?
The old PFT schtick - there's no anology in the 90's regionals- now I'm pretty sure you're stealing food off ScopeoutRJs plate by stealing his bit. The truth is, SWA is and always has been a more difficult and time consuming job to attain- especially in the 10 years since 9/11. I argue that this is relevant in a SLI debate bc it takes years longer to meet the competitive mins- you can disagree on that if you like- but that particular argument's just flame. Welcome to troll status.

I'll clarify, we are all PFT (unless your military, than the Government paid for it). I paid for my ratings up to ATP. If someone wants to buy a type to enhance their resume, fine. I also say if someone wants to go to one of the PFT regionals, that's fine too. I flew rt seat in a DC-3 when I was 19 for free. I'm not putting it down, I'm just saying you made the analogy that you got your type to get on with SWA and that should make a difference.

 

[dicko]

It is this rationalization that pumps our concerns into the stratosphere.

Your crystal ball analogy is not something any SWA pilot will count on. We are going to protect our careers with what is known before we have any concern for yours. Gary shares our concerns and not yours. We are SWA and you are not, for now.

If you are a guarantee for increased profits and growth, why are your profits consistently anemic and recent growth marginal. Didn't you have guys on furlough last year or so? This deal could actually harm SWA. (a huge, rationalized concern for the pilots of SWA) There is no guarantees in the airline business. You are ignorant to think otherwise.

I hope both sides come to negotiated agreements with all their seniority based work groups. The alternative could be quite damaging to one our both of the interested parties.

Please Dash,

At least learn something about us before you criticize.

They furloughed those guys and girls out of spite. It cost them far more than it saved. That's what a Lorenzo style management team does. No, it wasn't "in the last year or so". It was during our contract negotiations though ....

Apparently the last sale 'We' had, was the most successful in the last 40 years of SWA's history. With the inclusion of AirTran. That's what BJ said anyway.

There is cause for optimism with regard to combining these companies.





Edited: To add "girls" to guys. I just flew with one who was a month from losing her house. All from a "spite furlough". They threatened to fire them instead of furlough them. To ensure they wouldn't get a decent job again.

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan just how bad do you hate SWA?. FYI getting a 737 type does not get someone a job at SWA. But hay enjoy what you seem to do every waking moment ( slam and hate on SWA )

Get out there is a lot to see and do.

You know that's pretty arrogant to think just because someone posts something about SWA you don't agree with you think they are spending "every waking moment hating SWA"
Your merger is currently the hot topic on here and interesting to watch the dynamics of it. Kind of like a crash in an auto race, as long as no one is hurt it interesting to watch!
BTW you have come up with that how bad do you hate SWA line before if I say anything that isn't in agreement with you. I don't hate SWA at all. I think it's a great airline and been the the best of the LCC niche. I'm always interested in all airlines and the industry in general. I'm pretty much not anti any airline and don't agree with the folks that need to throw stones at others. My few posts as an outsider are from the prospective of seeing the merger without a bias towards either airline. But SWA is not as bulletproof or superior to other airlines as the postings of some SWA folks on here would have you believe. None of us are.

BTW I get out plenty, it's a slow time of year for waves but I still surf 2-3 times a week (a lot more than that in the winter). My son and I did take a few days to do some June snowboarding @ Timberline (stayed at the Monarch too!). Been doing some Karting also. (my interests are surfing and motorsports)

 

[PCL_128]

You seem unwilling to acknowledge the link between seniority and career earnings expectations. For ATN pilots, your career earnings will increase dramatically regardless of your seniority. For SWA pilots, numerous seniority models will decrease our career earnings expectations. How you can think it's fair for some ATN pilots to earn an additional 1-2 million over their career while some SWA pilots take a loss is concerning.

I understand exactly what you're saying, and there are several ways to address that in ISL models that won't harm either group. And it doesn't require doing what wave continually demands, in placing hundreds of AirTran pilots below Mr. Johnson. There are solutions to this, as long as people think rationally instead of emotionally.

 

[Dash Power]

Please Dash,

At least learn something about us before you criticize.

They furloughed those guys and girls out of spite. It cost them far more than it saved. That's what a Lorenzo style management team does. No, it wasn't "in the last year or so". It was during our contract negotiations though ....

Apparently the last sale 'We' had, was the most successful in the last 40 years of SWA's history. With the inclusion of AirTran. That's what BJ said anyway.

There is cause for optimism with regard to combining these companies.





Edited: To add "girls" to guys. I just flew with one who was a month from losing her house. All from a "spite furlough". They threatened to fire them instead of furlough them. To ensure they wouldn't get a decent job again.

My response was not directed to anyone else than the poster I responded to.

But since you decided to engage, who or what was I criticizing? What more do I need to learn again? Any furlough is a furlough no matter what the reasons. Lecturing me on the human costs continues your condenscending approach that is arrogant and a general representation of most the AT pilots on this board. I have been a pilot furloughed, and I have been a pilot acquired in transactions during my career. It sucks to be furloughed, and almost as bad as getting acquired. So I get you guys. But the last thing I did was to potentially anger the work group, that was much larger than mine, by acting entitled to their seniority and enhanced contract. A date of hire or relative seniority integration does affect our career value. At the end of our careers we will be able to quantify exactly how much but you would need that crystal ball to see how much now.

It as simple as this. Our average age is significantly higher than yours. Our guys will gain relative seniority at a much lower level than your younger group on the property with your relative or DOH seniority. This should be simple to understand. Throwing in "potential" growth does not sweeten up the situation. All we absolutely know is what we have right now. Who would have guessed 10 years ago that the then almighty American Airlines would be in the position they are in right now. Who would have guessed that they would have 1842 pilots still on furlough 10 years later. They were on the top of their game. Now they seem to be the only one without a dance partner.

Ultimately, you need to know who will always have the final word. The choice will be yours. Are you going to be a SWA pilot? Or are you going to be a Tranny? Blend and no one will know the difference. Not doing so will fall you within the unpreventable stereo type that will follow you the rest of your career. No matter what career enhancements you will receive with this acquisition, you will feel different from the non-Tranny pilots.

You don't have to listen to this wise, old pilot. But everything I have just said will come to pass. Bank on it.

Up to now, it has been a smooth purchase for sure. Depending on how these integrations go, it could change in a New York minute. At this point, this is far from over.

SWA management will not and should not publish their concerns. But don't think for a moment that they don't have concerns. They do.

 

[jball2]

Dude, AAI has the more rapid gain of relative seniority, not us. That is the biggest problem, unless I read your post wrong.

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[dicko]

condenscending approach that is arrogant and a general representation of most the AT pilots on this board.


Ultimately, you need to know who will always have the final word. The choice will be yours. Are you going to be a SWA pilot? Or are you going to be a Tranny? Blend and no one will know the difference. Not doing so will fall you within the unpreventable stereo type that will follow you the rest of your career. No matter what career enhancements you will receive with this acquisition, you will feel different from the non-Tranny pilots.

You don't have to listen to this wise, old pilot. But everything I have just said will come to pass. Bank on it.

Up to now, it has been a smooth purchase for sure. Depending on how these integrations go, it could change in a New York minute. At this point, this is far from over.

SWA management will not and should not publish their concerns. But don't think for a moment that they don't have concerns. They do.

You begin by calling me arrogant and condescending; then you follow by becoming a caricature of those exact qualities. For a finale you throw in some threats.

Your post is the definition of arrogant and condescending. I spelled it correctly for you ..... "Wise old pilot".

The Tranny.

 

[Dash Power]

You begin by calling me arrogant and condescending; then you follow by becoming a caricature of those exact qualities. For a finale you throw in some threats.

Your post is the definition of arrogant and condescending. I spelled it correctly for you ..... "Wise old pilot".

The Tranny.

You just make it worse.

And it was a typing error. But you wouldn't be a dicko if you could recognize that otherwise.

 

[redflyer65]

For ATN pilots, your career earnings will increase dramatically regardless of your seniority. For SWA pilots, numerous seniority models will decrease our career earnings expectations. How you can think it's fair for some ATN pilots to earn an additional 1-2 million over their career while some SWA pilots take a loss is concerning.

It's not about beating the ATN pilots, its simply about protecting the career value of our pilots. It hardly seems unfair to protect our value while increasing yours.

Everyone needs to re-read this post, because from a Southwest perspective...this is where the rubber meets the road.

If CJ's upgrade is delayed by one month, two months, etc.. he has been harmed and his career earnings potentially decreased by a younger AAI group that could be ratioed ahead of him.

As stated before, it is completely quantifiable and I'm sure been presented to SW management and the AAI MC.

Spot on post MILF.

 

[Dash Power]

Dude, AAI has the more rapid gain of relative seniority, not us. That is the biggest problem, unless I read your post wrong.

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You are right. That explanation didn't read well. I have tried to fix the sentence.

Thanks

 

[dicko]

Dude, AAI has the more rapid gain of relative seniority, not us. That is the biggest problem, unless I read your post wrong.

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I completely understand the age differences and the inequity of the retirement numbers. More importantly; so do the Merger guys. They are working on it.

 

[dicko]

You just make it worse.

The truth often does. You'll be ok.

 

[waveflyer]

I understand exactly what you're saying, and there are several ways to address that in ISL models that won't harm either group. And it doesn't require doing what wave continually demands, in placing hundreds of AirTran pilots below Mr. Johnson. There are solutions to this, as long as people think rationally instead of emotionally.

"Demands"? Really?

Besides a general disagreement on this 1 topic PCL, and your willingness to actually PFT and look for all career short cuts, and your love for all things ALPA and unwillingness to critique it at all, and defense of ALPA in all things, and your lack of leadership and blaming pilots for any issue ALPA has, and your disappointment in losing ALPA, and scheming to retain ALPA, or at least your role in ALPA, and your apparent dislike of flying at all much less flying a solid line (I guess one doesn't have to like flying if they don't have to fight and scrap for those initial hours).... Besides that, there is only one difference between you and I, PCL: I KNOW I'm not important and in no position to "demand" anything of this great company.
I have complete trust in GK, SWA, SWAPA, and our NC/MC and will open-mindedly look at any proposals they present.
Who I don't trust is an ALPA national officer who stands to lose that position and was recalled for interfering in the SLI. I'll have a beer with you and talk women and sports and life- I won't give much credence or time to your thoughts on the SLI.

 

[jball2]

Thanks for fixing that Dash!

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[RLAblows]

Everyone needs to re-read this post, because from a Southwest perspective...this is where the rubber meets the road.

If CJ's upgrade is delayed by one month, two months, etc.. he has been harmed and his career earnings potentially decreased by a younger AAI group that could be ratioed ahead of him.

As stated before, it is completely quantifiable and I'm sure been presented to SW management and the AAI MC.

Spot on post MILF.

When was CJ's planned upgrade before the AirTran aquisition? We would need to know that, but remember, no speculation about the future. Those aren't my rules, it just gets repeated by every SWA pilot on this board.