SWA culture!

[Luv2BFlyin]

At age 32 you'll have plenty of years ahead of you at Southwest Airlines, you just need to get on the list. Don't let this good deal pass you by. This is like getting into the World Series - in your rookie year, it might never happen again.

:cartman:

you want to look like this :beer: not this :bawling:

There's more to it than just getting on the list. And yes, there are some outcomes of being on the list that to me would be worse than not being on the list, fortunately that's a high improbability.

It's unfortunate that all you get out of this deal is what seniority you can negotiate away from FL. Too bad you didn't get anything when you had the real leverage with your mgmt on Sept. 28th or soon thereafter. Probably didn't think you needed it. BTW, don't forget about the gains you negotiated in the transition agreement, that could be the extent of you not getting harmed.

I pretty much always look like this :beer:

 

[redflyer65]

Therein lies the million dollar question. What is the magic equation that will give a reasonble outcome for current WN pilots while doing as little damage to the FL pilots seniority wise (contract and pay withstanding).

It is interesting to note that the well verbalized concerns of some WN posters places so much emphasis on seniority, when other WN posters try to tell the FL guys that seniority and seat don't matter, it's all about the pay and contract.

It's about all of it-seniority, QOL, pay, seat, etc, etc. I think we all have our own personal threshold that would garner a 'yes' vote, hopefully they can craft something that will push the needle over 50% for both carriers.

 

[bladeusa]

How old are you swa/fo? and what percent do you sit?
Its not going to be relative.. but its not going to be a staple either. Why would you expect him to vote for any thing close to a staple, when he might as well take chances in arbitration? Do you have anything besides fear and threats that GK and swapa will pull a usapa and break the process agreement they signed? Is that really a road you want to go down? The toxic environment at usair is last thing any of us should want. -And to avoid it, both sides are going to have to give a little. - thats why they aren't called Demand Committees. I think both pilot groups have some valid concerns that can be addressed and its my hope the two MC's can come to an agreement even if it means thinking a little outside the box.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yup. Well said.

 

[SWA/FO]

I think all Air Tran Pilots are gaining A LOT. SO MUCH more then SWAPA Pilots can gain from this deal. We are giving the MOST. To sad yall can't see it.

 

[dicko]

Dude you have no seniority at Tranny now. Sitting 87% in the Company, you are a "yes" voter regardless of SLI deal. You have the World by the balls at such a young age. Welcome to Southwest Airlines. Don't tell me you're more concerned with Ty Webb and his seat (that he will not hold after SLI) are you? Don't let these dudes ruin your shot!

:cartman: Beers on me dude!

Redacted: due to me being wrong ...... Just this once

 

[SWA/FO]

Did he tell you his seniority ?

Are you still stalking individual pilots ? These are people that your boss is trying to integrate without animosity or persecution. It's starting to sound obsessive. You're not helping SWA by attacking or stalking individuals.

You don't represent well ...... At all. :cartman:

What are you talking about?

 

[dicko]

Dude you have no seniority at Tranny now. Sitting 87% in the Company, you are a "yes" voter regardless of SLI deal. You have the World by the balls at such a young age. Welcome to Southwest Airlines. Don't tell me you're more concerned with Ty Webb and his seat (that he will not hold after SLI) are you? Don't let these dudes ruin your shot!

:cartman: Beers on me dude!

See above.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I think all Air Tran Pilots are gaining A LOT. SO MUCH more then SWAPA Pilots can gain from this deal. We are giving the MOST. To sad yall can't see it.

What is SWAPA (not SWA, not WN, not GK, not Herb, etc) "giving" anyone? You're going to furlough us first and take our airplanes according to the transition agreement and wanted to draw the process agreement out as long as possible. I'm seeing the warrior spirit but not seeing the servant's heart, isn't all of it part of the "culture"?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Therein lies the million dollar question. What is the magic equation that will give a reasonble outcome for current WN pilots while doing as little damage to the FL pilots seniority wise (contract and pay withstanding).

It is interesting to note that the well verbalized concerns of some WN posters places so much emphasis on seniority, when other WN posters try to tell the FL guys that seniority and seat don't matter, it's all about the pay and contract.

Luv2 Let me clarify somewhat. I am concerned with senority because any hit I take in senoirity in this deal either on the front end or during the course of my career will cost me financially. I Luv SWA but bottom line its a job. A great job that I am greatful to have everyday but a job. If they quit paying me I will quit showing up. The real issue here is career value. The AAI pilot group to the person will have the value of their career enhanced by this deal no matter how the list shakes out. I feel that fair and equitable means that the value of my career shouldn't be decreased by this transaction.

 

[SWA/FO]

What is SWAPA (not SWA, not WN, not GK, not Herb, etc) "giving" anyone? You're going to furlough us first and take our airplanes according to the transition agreement and wanted to draw the process agreement out as long as possible. I'm seeing the warrior spirit but not seeing the servant's heart, isn't all of it part of the "culture"?

Gary is not going to furlough anybody. He takes great pride in NOT doing that. He said once "If I had to furlough, I'd consider myself a failure"

These last couple of years, they actually spent 50 Million or so they didn't have to just to keep everyone on the payroll. This Company has enough money to pay every single employee for a year set aside, just incase another 9/11 happened (God forbid). I'm not making this stuff up.

Your going to have to LIVE it to believe me. The last guy on our list probably feels more secure then a dude 500 up on UALs (insert any airline here) list.

Please Stop sounding like an idiot. YOU WANT SWAPA's CONTRACT. SWAPA got that for its members. It didn't come free, it wasn't a handout from Southwest. We spent millions on our section ONE alone. This very section that is protecting us (SWAPA) Pilots. We got rid of Skywest, right? Southwest, GK can't even paint the airplanes without our agreement. They were in violation of our contract by having an Air Tran sticker on the nose of our airplane on May 2. This is a great contract.

There is tons of mutual respect between SWA and SWAPA. This will benefit you. Why don't you all just give in a bit and say "I want to be a SWAPA Pilot" it would really go a long way.

Claiming that SWAPA had nothing to do with where we are now it just a huge slap in the face and I find it insulting, which makes me want to insult you further.... then I grind my teeth at night and its not good.

All I am saying is, this is not a done deal. You guys (we are driving this thing) have a lot to lose. Don't over play your hand. :beer:

 

[GuppyWN]

Out of fairness I'll say that the career of the Airtran pilot should NOT be decreased by this deal either.

Gup

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

What is SWAPA (not SWA, not WN, not GK, not Herb, etc) "giving" anyone? You're going to furlough us first and take our airplanes according to the transition agreement and wanted to draw the process agreement out as long as possible. I'm seeing the warrior spirit but not seeing the servant's heart, isn't all of it part of the "culture"?

Servant's heart doesn't mean we will roll over. SWAPA has a legal and moral obligation to protect the interests of our members just as AAI ALPA has a legal and moral obligation to protect their membership. As far as SWAPA goes we (SWAPA) negoitated the contract that you want. It wasn't a gift anymore than any contract at AAI has been. It was fought for and paid for by the SWAPA membership with SWAPA dues.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Gary is not going to furlough anybody. He takes great pride in NOT doing that. He said once "If I had to furlough, I'd consider myself a failure"

Then why waste transition language on it if you feel so strongly about it?

[/QUOTE]Your going to have to LIVE it to believe me. The last guy on our list probably feels more secure then a dude 500 up on UALs (insert any airline here) list.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the guy 500 numbers up on our list is close to a third of the way up. You'd have to ask him if he feels more secure or not. I'd have to believe that he'd rather be a third of the way up our list than the bottom of your list.

[/QUOTE]Please Stop sounding like an idiot. YOU WANT SWAPA's CONTRACT. SWAPA got that for its members. It didn't come free, it wasn't a handout from Southwest. We spent millions on our section ONE alone. This very section that is protecting us (SWAPA) Pilots. We got rid of Skywest, right? Southwest, GK can't even paint the airplanes without our agreement. They were in violation of our contract by having an Air Tran sticker on the nose of our airplane on May 2. This is a great contract.[/QUOTE]

Yelling at me in all caps doesn't make me understand it any better. I don't have to have SWAPA's contract, don't tell me I want it. I KNOW IT'S NOT WORTH GIVING UP SIGNIFICANT RELATIVE SENIORITY FOR. Does the caps help enforce the point?

[/QUOTE]There is tons of mutual respect between SWA and SWAPA. This will benefit you. Why don't you all just give in a bit and say "I want to be a SWAPA Pilot" it would really go a long way.[/QUOTE]

There in lies the problem, "a bit" has a very different connotation between groups. I'm sure "a bit" is much smaller to me than it is to you. Kind of like a marshaller with his wands 3" from each other for 3'. That's a long 3" .

[/QUOTE]Claiming that SWAPA had nothing to do with where we are now it just a huge slap in the face and I find it insulting, which makes me want to insult you further.... then I grind my teeth at night and its not good.

All I am saying is, this is not a done deal. You guys (we are driving this thing) have a lot to lose. Don't over play your hand. :beer:[/QUOTE]

If it wasn't for your mgmt, it wouldn't matter what the letters stood for in the acronym of your union because you'd be in the same boat as the rest of us, period, end of story. I'm confident in my MC and not concerned in the least about overplaying our hand. I'm not losing any sleep at night.

 

[tico]

Out of fairness I'll say that the career of the Airtran pilot should NOT be decreased by this deal either.

Gup

Nice leadership move Gup.....see if you can get the boys and girls from both sides to honor the simple request from y'alls negotiators.....the campaign would be....shhhh...wish my outcome from 2 tries had been different...by the way...thanks for the advice back then...the way things have gone downhill at ths eskimo airline I am close to hangin it up, cashin out the 401, buyin a sweet Pete, and seein all that country I have looked at from above for so long....i'.

 

[SWA/FO]

Dude your still going to still be a junior FO at the new Company (as you are now).

Your focus should be to get on the list, of a stronger Company. Don't ride the ship down.

 

[Dan Roman]

Pops,just saw you said the same thing copy pages back about everyone should pissed after a merger.

That was supposed to be opps, not pops! sorry dude! Typed it on my new Ipad!

 

[texman]

Redacted: due to me being wrong ...... Just this once

WTF is up with your pics? First thing I thought of was Panda Express! ghetto style! LOL!

 

[texman]

What is SWAPA (not SWA, not WN, not GK, not Herb, etc) "giving" anyone? You're going to furlough us first and take our airplanes according to the transition agreement and wanted to draw the process agreement out as long as possible. I'm seeing the warrior spirit but not seeing the servant's heart, isn't all of it part of the "culture"?

Luv I call BS on you throwing the whole culture thing in our face.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR,

Wait a minute.

You're saying that WN/AAI MUST merge lists but SKYW, ASA, Ex may not?

I'm confused. Actually I'm not. Bond/McCaskill makes NO REQUIREMENT to merge the lists. It clearly stipulates that IF the lists are merged it must be done so under agreement or arbitration.

For the record the WN and AAI lists WILL be merged because both parties WILL vote yes to an SLI produced under direct negotiation.

Gup

Gup,
Single List petition, it may be requested, or not, if the lists are to be merged, and the two sides cannot agree A-M LPP provisions will apply.
PBR