SWA contract amendable- no pay raise?

[Saabslime]

So I guess a pay cut is a much better solution

Are you telling me that SWA is in such bad financial health that for the company to provide employee parking would necessitate a pay cut?! You sir give ME a break!

 

[Purpled]

Are you telling me that SWA is in such bad financial health that for the company to provide employee parking would necessitate a pay cut?! You sir give ME a break!

No, what he is telling you is that he'd rather have 50 bucks vs. a 50 dollar parking voucher.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Maybe you guys can negotiate to have the company pay for employee parking. I was just on the employee bus and there's a big notice for SWA employees to fill out the form to have parking fees deducted from your paycheck........... What a joke

Yeah, I would rather work for your company and have my parking paid for vs flying for SWA and paying $30 a month in parking fees that are tax deductible.

Lets see: Getting paid well over six figures, having the best benefits in the industry and having to pay for my own parking.

OR: Getting paid slave labor wages, having terrible benefits and having my parking paid for.

Yeah it's a no brainer Saabslime's company is the better chocie.

 

[OffHot]

Are you telling me that SWA is in such bad financial health that for the company to provide employee parking would necessitate a pay cut?! You sir give ME a break!

No what I am telling you is that I dont care about parking fees. Maybe that is what you must bargin for because your company has dictated everything else of importance to you. Either by threats of BR or by some judge who thinks he understands our business. I dont wish regression by anyone in this industry, it hurts us all, but to flame on SWA about uniforms or parking, when other pilots would just be happy to quit taking paycuts is absurd. We dont have the perfect contract, we know that, that is why we decided to open section 6, but it also isn't that bad. I'm sure with your contract, paid parking and uniform expenses, is much better than ours, so we now have something to model our new one after.

 

[TexaSWA]

Are you telling me that SWA is in such bad financial health that for the company to provide employee parking would necessitate a pay cut?! You sir give ME a break!

If your negotiation comittee is going to waste time on something as trivial as parking fees, it is because they are unable to get anything of any real value and are grasping at straws trying to look as if they have some control over the outcome.

How does one segway from negotiating the intricacies of a multi million dollar 401k and profit sharing fund, to $30 a month to pay for parking. I dont think it can be done with a straight face.

Its the difference between Baccarat and nikel slots.

Im sure its hard to understand from the point of reference of a commuter pilot, but hopefully you'll get a chance to understand one day.

 

[skiandsurf]

Does SWA make all airport employees pay for parking? And what about the people who work at HQs, I assume they get to park for free.

 

[TexaSWA]

Does SWA make all airport employees pay for parking? And what about the people who work at HQs, I assume they get to park for free.

SWA doesnt make anyone pay for parking. The companies that own the lots do.

The people who work at the GO (HQ) park there free. Crews that live in dallas and commute to other bases can park there free, too, and take a shuttle. Dallas based crews park free at the Parking Spot; SWA owns the land.

It is different at other bases where Southwest doesnt own the land. The Parking Spot is always half price, but thats for all airlines.

 

[Saabslime]

You SWA koolaid kooks can't see the forest through the trees. "Yeah we have to pay for parking and uniforms, etc. but look at our hourly rates!" Forget the fact that the company works you like borrowed mules to gain the productivity needed to afford those rates. You're W2's may look good but let's face it, you fly regional type schedules........some QOL. I'll put our scheduling and hours of service sections up against yours anyday.

 

[firstthird]

I'm not here to compare W-2s or sport cars or other 'mine is bigger than yours' items.

I made an idealogical argument that getting more money is better than negotiating penny-ante stuff like parking fees. SWA apparently thinks that their pilots are big boys and girls and we can replace our uniforms when necessary. Many companies that pay for uniforms do so because management thinks their employees will go around looking like homeless people in stained/treadbare shirts without a use or lose allowance. (speaking of which, Landerwood is overdue for some business from this FO)

It is nice that you are very happy with your

scheduling and hours of service sections

People at SWA are pretty happy with ours too. 18 or 19 days off a month is not too bad. Not everyone gets that, depends on what you're bidding for and your seniority, of course. In fact, I'd say that most pilots are only looking for incremental improvements because we are happy. Our contract is old (12 years and counting) and needs to be cleaned up, but what it doesn't need is 'paid parking' or 'uniform allowance.' If your 30 bucks a month for parking makes you the better union represented pilot, that is sweet for you.

In case you haven't been paying attention, the 'jacking the house' theory of airline pilot negotiating has been overtaken by the 'destroy the house and start over' theory of contract negotiations, thus the DAL +1% or UAL +1% doesn't really apply. Besides, our pay system really isn't like the rest and that makes straight hourly comparisons difficult at best and misleading in most cases.

 

[TexaSWA]

I'll put our scheduling and hours of service sections up against yours anyday.

Avg days off last bid in MDW: 17.17
Avg duty period length: 8.5 hrs

 

[scoreboard]

Sorry, but when a company makes you pay to park where you work, that's just plain a$$ cheap no matter how you slice it. And even McDonalds provides a uniform for their employees at no cost......

No, my company doesn't make me pay a penny, PHX parking does.

 

[skiandsurf]

No, my company doesn't make me pay a penny, PHX parking does.

I guess my company doesnt require me to go to work, my wife does.

 

[scoreboard]

You SWA koolaid kooks can't see the forest through the trees. "Yeah we have to pay for parking and uniforms, etc. but look at our hourly rates!" Forget the fact that the company works you like borrowed mules to gain the productivity needed to afford those rates. You're W2's may look good but let's face it, you fly regional type schedules........some QOL. I'll put our scheduling and hours of service sections up against yours anyday.

Funny, your avatar states "Dysfunctional", that pretty much says it all.

Regional schedule? Oh, so regional guys fly 3 on 4 off weekdays after 18 months on property averaging 8-9 hour workday, I didn't know that, good for them.

What, burned out from your High speed or Stand up? Oh, we don't do either of those, not even close.

 

[scoreboard]

I guess my company doesnt require me to go to work, my wife does.

How'd you know?

fishy looking sidway thingy

 

[canyonblue]

Saabslime, get a life.uke: I could care less if someone posts their "opinions" on this board but you have a real-hard on against Southwest. I have no idea how America West hired you. You don't even have meaningful dialog on any Southwest thread, so do us a favor and stay off SWA threads. We get it, you don't like Southwest. No go find a little unicorn Johnny.

And Gup is right, anything other than COLA IS a paycut, please pay attention guys.