SWA contract amendable- no pay raise?

[LnkyLmy]

Hi Saab slime

I still remember the day I opened my first pay check after contract 200? was signed in Jan 04. After the mandatory LTD buyback and my family PPO deductible my 10% pay raise was almost gone.

After 8 yrs there I will gladly pay $30 for parking and work for SWA.

Good luck in the future at AWA/USAir, I miss my friends but not company.

 

[canyonblue]

(UAL does give me the whole can of soda, SWA gives me 3 sips with a cup full of ice). I hate to say it, but it is because of these low-fare airlines that we all have to suffer now.

Stop by the cockpit on your way in, and I'll see to it you get a "whole can" next time. I use my 737 knowledge to find the galley since you haven't found a way to keep yourself hydrated. I can't believe some of these people actually learned how to fly airplanes.uke:

 

[canyonblue737]

Get the most you can while keeping the company alive because tomorrow you may have to give back some if the environment changes. Make Herbie squirm.

You just don't get it do you?

Like Yoda said "That is why you fail."

http://www.yodajeff.com/multimedia/sounds/episode5/idontbelive.wav

 

[atafan]

You just don't get it do you?

Enlighten me Obi Wan.

 

[ivauir]

Cuz I like getting a rise from emptyheaded sourpusses like yourself.

Now if you want to take the position that SWA would be more than happy to extend the current contract for another 5 years, then stand up and be heard. I say they will stand firm on an overall compensation reduction of 20%. My guess is SWAPA leadership won't budge for at least 2 years, and will finally be forced to present a TA to the membership for ratification by the end of 2008. It will be voted down and the existing leadership will receive a no confidence vote from the hardline membership and removed. Just another predictable soap opera from this disfunctional family known as the airline business.

imp:

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS FOO! He doesn;t even know what our voting cycles are!

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Hey genius, where do you think I work? I'm not counting on you to get me a payraise, we've already done that...pending a bit of voting. And you're right, it is a long process. Anyway, just be glad that I didn't make fun of SWAFO for gloating about how high you have held the bar...really, now.

Anyway, you should consider how to keep pressure on other carriers if/when fuel gets cheaper or hedges start running out. It's not about waving your success in other managements face, it's about pressure. But certainly, like you allude to in your post, make life better for you, not SQ or worse.

Oh yeah, did I mention that you've earned a raise?


What movie?

Hey Purple, how do you think you got your payrates? ..... Fred likes pilots? You and Brown got paid because of the pre-911 bar held up by the "legacy" airlines that you all now thumb your nose at. If you were even there, how was the mood pre ALPA, pre pilot contract, pre USPS contract? How did that X-mas strike threat work out .. '99 maybe??

Fine, Freight Dogs win ..... go hug each other on the Cargo forum and spare us second rate people- haulers your labor advice. After all, wasn't that the Purple mantra this time ...."mgt. said we aren't airline pilots last time, so you can't compare us to airline pay this time" ... or something similar.

Best of luck. Hope you enjoy the profit sharing. Defined benefit plans last forever ....

Ben

 

[Purpled]

Hey Purple, how do you think you got your payrates? ..... Fred likes pilots? You and Brown got paid because of the pre-911 bar held up by the "legacy" airlines that you all now thumb your nose at. If you were even there, how was the mood pre ALPA, pre pilot contract, pre USPS contract? How did that X-mas strike threat work out .. '99 maybe??

Fine, Freight Dogs win ..... go hug each other on the Cargo forum and spare us second rate people- haulers your labor advice. After all, wasn't that the Purple mantra this time ...."mgt. said we aren't airline pilots last time, so you can't compare us to airline pay this time" ... or something similar.

Best of luck. Hope you enjoy the profit sharing. Defined benefit plans last forever ....

Ben

Hey hot head,

Why don't you read the entire thread before opening your dick-licker. I'm on your side, loser. Add another one of you guys who hopes we lose our pension. Glad to see your true colors. Again, except you and SWAFO, I wish your pilot group the best...and the legacy guys too.

 

[GuppyWN]

Pilots are unlike airplanes because the plane quits whining at the gate.

Gup

 

[JethroF15]

Hey Purple, how do you think you got your payrates? ..... Fred likes pilots? You and Brown got paid because of the pre-911 bar held up by the "legacy" airlines that you all now thumb your nose at. If you were even there, how was the mood pre ALPA, pre pilot contract, pre USPS contract? How did that X-mas strike threat work out .. '99 maybe??

Fine, Freight Dogs win ..... go hug each other on the Cargo forum and spare us second rate people- haulers your labor advice. After all, wasn't that the Purple mantra this time ...."mgt. said we aren't airline pilots last time, so you can't compare us to airline pay this time" ... or something similar.

Best of luck. Hope you enjoy the profit sharing. Defined benefit plans last forever ....

Ben

Dude... go drink a beer or play with the wife/girlfriends titties awhile. Sounds like you really need to let some of that tension out.

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey purpled is that what you call your thing? You know you got to let that thing breathe every once in a while. Stop squeezing it so much on your 45 hour layovers and on your sorts.

I just said that folks that have done nothing but give back sh^t are now on this board taking a cheap shot at us. Fed Ex has done nothing wrong, excpet hire you. I wish all the 60 year old looking 40 year olds at Fed Ex nothing but the best, except purpled (sound familiar tool?).

If I wanted to take some satisfaction over the fact that guys are losing their pensions, I would just come out and say (type) it. It would read something like this: I am glad you guys have lost your _ _ _ _ _ _ _. I wouldn't beat around the bush. To the point baby.

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

Pretty easy really. When you're passengers don't expect anything in the first place, what is there to complain about?

How many times have you been turned down by SWA?

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Hey hot head,

Why don't you read the entire thread before opening your dick-licker. I'm on your side, loser. Add another one of you guys who hopes we lose our pension. Glad to see your true colors. Again, except you and SWAFO, I wish your pilot group the best...and the legacy guys too.

Why do you even post here purple knob? Give you an extra boost before you flex in the mirror? You got yours - let it be. Just as I'm sure you FDX guys could care less about input from airline guys on your contract, SWA doesn't need your two cents. I hope they hold up the bar as well - although not to "put us out of our misery" as you suggest, but to help us in the future to maybe get back close to where I was pre-bk at some point before retirement.

As far as the pension, I don't hope for your loss, I would just suggest a serious look at getting some of the $Billions of profit in back to you in your name rather than banking on the pension being there forever. Defined benefit plans are a dinasour. Not than long ago I had the promise of 60% FAE to look forward to. Now, besides going from $156/hr to $89/hr 8 year F/O, I have squat for a pension.

I have many navy buds at FDX and the last thing I would do is wish your demise. My two cents is that at some point you guys may want to blend in some profit sharing with the pension plan. There's a lot to be said for retirement $ in your own name.

But, what do I know. Just a dumb-ass legacy guy here whose company also used to make a billion a year. Glad your profits are bullet proof.

Gotta go read "jumpseat 101" on another thread now to see how it's done.

Ben

 

[Purpled]

Having pissed off SWAFO and BD at the same time, I feel like a fukcing hero! Perhaps it's time to retire.

BTW, BD, looks like we might have negotiated in the direction that you suggested, glad you thought of it.

FO, I laughed reading about squeezing my purple thing...thanks for that.

 

[SWA/FO]

I'm not mad.

 

[flyhomefast]

Why do you even post here purple knob? Give you an extra boost before you flex in the mirror? You got yours - let it be. Just as I'm sure you FDX guys could care less about input from airline guys on your contract, SWA doesn't need your two cents. I hope they hold up the bar as well - although not to "put us out of our misery" as you suggest, but to help us in the future to maybe get back close to where I was pre-bk at some point before retirement.

As far as the pension, I don't hope for your loss, I would just suggest a serious look at getting some of the $Billions of profit in back to you in your name rather than banking on the pension being there forever. Defined benefit plans are a dinasour. Not than long ago I had the promise of 60% FAE to look forward to. Now, besides going from $156/hr to $89/hr 8 year F/O, I have squat for a pension.

I have many navy buds at FDX and the last thing I would do is wish your demise. My two cents is that at some point you guys may want to blend in some profit sharing with the pension plan. There's a lot to be said for retirement $ in your own name.

But, what do I know. Just a dumb-ass legacy guy here whose company also used to make a billion a year. Glad your profits are bullet proof.

Gotta go read "jumpseat 101" on another thread now to see how it's done.

Ben

BendOver,

Well, maybe you're just a dumb-ass legacy guy or just bitter. While I would agree that defined benefit contributions are somewhat of a thing of a past, its not the past. Many fortune 500 corporations are NOT disolving retirement programs. There has to be a reason for disolving these plans, the pax industry has been unstable at best since de regulation. There was never a secure feeling with those funds. NOW, fedex does have a b fund that is solid, a 401k with match that is solid, and a product that is solid. So assuming or wishing that ours would disolve as yours did is just imature. Would you suggest us give up our a fund completly for profit sharing while in 10 years maybe our profits would go done, then would you snub your nose at us. Should we give up our contract and accept SWA's and work our buts off for less money? How about the life expectance of those SWA guys who are stuck in a tube with long duty days exposing themselves to the cancer elements (pre-empted the night flying issue). Or do we give up our a fund for a monster 401k when the goverment is glancing at that money and trying to figure a way to get a piece of that (taxes, elemintion of other benefits if you have a certain amount in your 401k). WOW all this, it looks like fedex is a well diversified investments (A,B, and 401k)!!!!! Oops, I almost forgot to mention that cargo is a little more secure than pax.

Fire away and I'll hit the deck.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

BendOver,

Well, maybe you're just a dumb-ass legacy guy or just bitter. While I would agree that defined benefit contributions are somewhat of a thing of a past, its not the past. Many fortune 500 corporations are NOT disolving retirement programs. There has to be a reason for disolving these plans, the pax industry has been unstable at best since de regulation. There was never a secure feeling with those funds. NOW, fedex does have a b fund that is solid, a 401k with match that is solid, and a product that is solid. So assuming or wishing that ours would disolve as yours did is just imature. Would you suggest us give up our a fund completly for profit sharing while in 10 years maybe our profits would go done, then would you snub your nose at us. Should we give up our contract and accept SWA's and work our buts off for less money? How about the life expectance of those SWA guys who are stuck in a tube with long duty days exposing themselves to the cancer elements (pre-empted the night flying issue). Or do we give up our a fund for a monster 401k when the goverment is glancing at that money and trying to figure a way to get a piece of that (taxes, elemintion of other benefits if you have a certain amount in your 401k). WOW all this, it looks like fedex is a well diversified investments (A,B, and 401k)!!!!! Oops, I almost forgot to mention that cargo is a little more secure than pax.

Fire away and I'll hit the deck.

Hope you're right.

Out,

Ben

 

[Purpled]

I'm not mad.

Yes you are, like a hatter! Enjoy!

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

. You're W2's may look good but let's face it, you fly regional type schedules........some QOL. I'll put our scheduling and hours of service sections up against yours anyday.

Yes, W2s look good.
Didn't know regional pilots had 18-19 days off per month making $17000/mnth
15 or 16 days off per month on reserve on our side. How about yours?

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

Sorry, but when a company makes you pay to park where you work, that's just plain a$$ cheap no matter how you slice it. And even McDonalds provides a uniform for their employees at no cost......

Show me a Micky Dees front line worker that makes 6 figures.
Cheap??? How much does your top guys make?
I'll pay my $20 per month parking and keep my W2 where it is and good luck on the next DB.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

It seems that everyones bubble will burst at sometime.
Is it time for Southwests ride to come to a slowing halt?

Geez...can't you come up with anything more original? This question has only been asked a bazillion times since the initial stock offering 30+ years ago...

I look at it this way....at my old "legacy" carrier, management made promises...and lied and continued to lie.....SWA paid me my profit sharing on September 14, 2001 just as they had promised earlier that year...How did your company handle the days just after September 11, 2001? Did they keep all their promises or honor their labor agreements?

Tejas