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Lowecurs not out flying today...

lowecur said:
Herb thinks I'm a twit.:)

LOL!! So do alot of other people!

Speakng of changing the subject.... what makes you think people will forget that you used to post this same type of flaming trash...... only as "Joe Peeoznotz"?

Also..... why did you stop posting as "Joe Peeoznotz"? Oh thats right....you got that name banned..... yet you still stir the pot as "Lowecur". Lame if you ask me...

Hey..... at least have some b*lls and at least appear to have some sort of credibility..... but I guess thats impossible now..... because when people do a search of your ridiculous posts as "Lowecur" then a cross search of your equally ridiculous posts as "Joe Peeoznotz"..... you lose that credibility.

People aren't that forgetful.... and if they are many of us will remind them for you....

You're not too smart of a Pilot are you?:rolleyes:
 
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A Different view from someone that may know....

UPDATE 2-Southwest CEO sees net rising, mergers 'bullish'
Mon May 2, 2005 08:28 PM ET
(Adds additional quotes from interview)



By Christian Plumb

DALLAS, May 2 (Reuters) - Southwest Airlines Inc. (LUV.N: Quote, Profile, Research) sees quarterly earnings growing thanks to its hedges against fuel prices, its chief executive said in an interview on Monday, adding industry mergers would be "bullish" for the low-cost carrier.

Southwest is trying to keep its profit streak alive even as losses widen at rivals plagued by record oil prices and an excess supply of seats that makes it tough to raise fares.

"With the hedge that we have and assuming we don't have anything extraordinary happen to our revenue trends, our (second-quarter) profits will be up against last year," Southwest CEO Gary Kelly told Reuters.

He added that, based on current trends, full-year 2005 profits were likely to rise from last year's $313 million, but there are "any number of things that could happen on the revenue side, even on the fuel side, to throw that off."

Southwest, the largest U.S. airline by market value, has managed to stay profitable because of its practice of hedging, or buying contracts that lock in pre-arranged fuel prices.

Kelly, commenting on reports that two rivals are considering a merger that could rock the industry by creating a big new discount carrier, also said mergers would be good news for the industry as a whole.

"If we do have some serious industry consolidation this year, I think that would be very bullish for healthy airlines like Southwest," he said in the interview at Southwest's headquarters next to Dallas' Love Field airport.

'COSTLY AND COMPLICATED'

Recent reports that America West Holdings Corp. (AWA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and bankrupt rival US Airways Group Inc. (UAIRQ.OB: Quote, Profile, Research) are in talks to merge has led to speculation that other troubled U.S. airlines could eye tie-ups, eliminating some excess capacity.

Kelly said he was so far unconcerned about the competitive impact of a deal.

"Combining the two would obviously be very costly and complicated," he said. "We compete with both carriers today and putting the two systems together, I don't see why that would change the competitive matchup."

Southwest itself has no plans to buy another airline, Kelly said, though it is seeing good results from its more limited partnership with ATA Holdings Corp., another carrier operating under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection

For now, rather than buying an entire airline, Southwest is interested in selectively buying additional gates at airports like Philadelphia or jets to add to its all-Boeing 737 fleet which might be sold by an airline in bankruptcy.

"That would not be our desire," he said, referring to full acquisitions. But he added: "never say never."

The airline, which began flying in 1971 between big Texas cities like Dallas and Houston, has mostly expanded organically, though it has made exceptions, as with its 1994 acquisition of Salt Lake City-based Morris Air.

Looking beyond this year, Kelly, who took over as Southwest's CEO last July, said he was concerned about the high fuel prices which the hedges will not protect it from forever.

"We'd be crazy not to be preparing ourselves for $55-a-barrel crude oil," he said.

An overall economy which is looking less healthy is another worry for Southwest and its rivals, he said. "The economy is definitely slowing and it is definitely possible that we could see a very soft patch in 2006 based on current trends," he said. "They're inconsistent, so they may not continue to be trends, but that certainly would have a depressing effect on business travel."
 
lowecur said:
The numbers clearly point to too much capacity in the LUV system at this time.

Extra capacity is a given, "too much" is a judgement call.

The question is can mgt adjust the route system to compensate the remainder of the year? PIT is coming on line and the UAIR deal will likely leave some openings to backfill some capacity on the East Coast.

My guess...and that's all it is...a guess is that as the year progresses the system will catch up with the delivery schedule. A new wave of MDW flights have already been announced for summer implementation. The new "A" pier in BWI will open in the next week or so lending additional expansion opportunities. The rumor mill had us opening 2 cities this year...it usually takes around 6 months to get a new station up and running. A late spring announcement could put a new dot on the map by fall.

AWA seems to be taking business away from LUV on their West Coast routes, and with JBLU ramping up with the 190s at the end of the year, mgt has to ask itself if they are happy with their plan.

Absent hard data, I can't comment on SWA vs. AWA out west. It would not surprise me though if there have been some defections. It is no secret that since the RapidRewards online booking bonus was killed, some of the very frequent fliers are pi$$ed to put it bluntly. Take away an addicts fix and they tend to get cranky and the FFs were hooked on the bonus credits to be sure. Revamping RapidRewards to provide additional credits for longhaul flights and/or opening ATA codeshare routes for redemption could right the ship or better if that is indeed the source of the drain.

Time will tell.

Fortunately, GK can tell time. ;)
 
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This is disturbing news. RPMs up 9.5% with LF down 7pts. Conversely, AWA RPMs up 7.3% with LF up 3.5 pts. You think the FF rule adjustment had something to do with this? Available seat miles up 13%, definitly hurt. Too many new planes and no place to put them. Growth needs to be reined in. Adjustments need to be made quickly, or this trend could send the stock price in a free fall.


That's it, I'm getting out now. Truckmasters hiring?

May 3, 2005 12:02 ET Market Open
Common StockMarket : NYSE Last Sale:$ 14.98 Net Change:0.02

2 Cents?, Some freefall.
 
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FL717 said:
LOL!! So do alot of other people!

Speakng of changing the subject.... what makes you think people will forget that you used to post this same type of flaming trash...... only as "Joe Peeoznotz"?
Oh, you're such a kidder!

I'm no Joe Peeoznotz and you're no Columbo. You're just looking for someone to scapegoat because you guys can't make a buck without subsidization from the cities you serve. Once the feds ban that practice, maybe you can greet the pax with a tipcup when deplaning.
 
canyonblue said:
That's it, I'm getting out now. Truckmasters hiring?

May 3, 2005 12:02 ET Market Open
Common StockMarket : NYSE Last Sale:$ 14.98 Net Change:0.02

2 Cents?, Some freefall.
There is an article in Fortune Magazine this week about a ramper at MDW taking GK over to a computer and showing him the stock price. He said, "that's my retirement, and it's not moving."

I plan on picking up a copy of that mag this week, as you must have subscription to read the rest of the article. It will be interesting to see if the article is flattering or skeptical of the future of SWA.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,1056173,00.html?promoid=yahoo
 
Clarification

I don't know of any "bank of money" which is used by some cities (usually local business front the money along with some taxpayer money) after negotiating with SWA that entices SWA to come to cities , i.e. AirTran in ICT & PNS but I could be wrong, some regional carriers....nothing wrong in my opinion in cities using taxpayer money to do it if the taxpayers wish it to be the case. Other competing airlines are asking for court rulings to prevent this type of subsidizing from occurring since it favors one airline over another. If you have evidence we have done that Lowcur pls post.

SWA does negotiate aggressively in all cities for the same type of reduction in fees/taxes/costs but does not participate in what I believe you are implying, i.e. local businesses subsidizing for a period of time an airline to meet minimum guaranteed load factors....if a city can't support the traffic SWA requires SWA has shown the business savvy to simply move on & go to one of the 100+ cities that are requesting our service. Didn't want the readers to be mislead by a "rumor" :) !

I did hear one interesting note that will also help us cut some costs....the USAir hangar that has been empty for serveral years at TPA supposedly has a new owner? Anyone from USAir confirm that the hangar has changed hands?
If it was bought I would assume it was done at a lower than normal cost and if SWA does take ownership of it the costs in having more hangar space for more aircraft maintenance allows for less ferrying of aircraft to other sites....since we have a good size presence in TPA it also bodes well if TPA grew to become a pilot base, something rumored a year or so ago but was put on the back burner when the latest optimization schedule was implemented last Oct allowing for thie discussion to be postponed until '06 sometime.

Sorry for the thread creep....back to other "predictions"...have at it :)
 
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lowecur said:
There is an article in Fortune Magazine this week about a ramper at MDW taking GK over to a computer and showing him the stock price. He said, "that's my retirement, and it's not moving."

Sounds very dramatic and poignant but, it's not like we are forced to invest our profitsharing in LUV or have to buy the stock in order to get the 401k match. If the mechanic in question has their entire retirement nest egg wrapped up in a single stock....Southwest, jetBlue, Embraer or otherwise then he is a fool.
 
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SWAInflt said:
Extra capacity is a given, "too much" is a judgement call.



My guess...and that's all it is...a guess is that as the year progresses the system will catch up with the delivery schedule. A new wave of MDW flights have already been announced for summer implementation. It will be interesting to see how they perform. The new "A" pier in BWI will open in the next week or so lending additional expansion opportunities. I have my doubts that will happen with GK already saying BWI is hurting the numbers. The rumor mill had us opening 2 cities this year...it usually takes around 6 months to get a new station up and running. A late spring announcement could put a new dot on the map by fall. These will be interesting announcements, as cherry picking has become scarce for 737s and the present business model.



Absent hard data, I can't comment on SWA vs. AWA out west. I believe AWA overlaps SWA quite a bit out West. Their overall numbers are up, and yours are down. This tells me that there are defections. It would not surprise me though if there have been some defections. It is no secret that since the RapidRewards online booking bonus was killed, some of the very frequent fliers are pi$$ed to put it bluntly. Take away an addicts fix and they tend to get cranky and the FFs were hooked on the bonus credits to be sure. Revamping RapidRewards to provide additional credits for longhaul flights and/or opening ATA codeshare routes for redemption could right the ship or better if that is indeed the source of the drain. Reinstatement of the program is the best idea.



Fortunately, GK can tell time. ;)
GK seems to think the merger AWA/UAIR is bullish for SWA. To me it all depends on how it's structured and what kind of long term financial support will be in place. I for one see DP paring UAIRs route structure to profitable routes only, and then connecting the dots with some new city pairs. If it happens that way, SWA will need to adjust. Fortunately they have the time and the money, but they just can't sit on their present business model and expect things to fall into place. He who hesitates is lost, and it will be interesting to see how GK responds.
 
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lowecur said:
The numbers clearly point to too much capacity in the LUV system at this time. The question is can mgt adjust the route system to compensate the remainder of the year? PIT is coming on line and the UAIR deal will likely leave some openings to backfill some capacity on the East Coast. AWA seems to be taking business away from LUV on their West Coast routes, and with JBLU ramping up with the 190s at the end of the year, mgt has to ask itself if they are happy with their plan. Time will tell.

Too much capacity today could be too little after a IFLY or USAir meltdown.

You really are optimistic about a USAir deal, aren't you?? Not I.

190's starting to be deployed at the end of the year will hurt LUV in 2005?!?......RRRRIIIIIGHT.

SWA's business model being "sat on"? Nice. Let's see how the regionals work on JetBlue's 190 plan.

There you are, predicting another LUV stock meltdown. It was only last year you predicted LUV would sink into the single digits. Looks like you are predicting it again.

I wouldn't short LUV just yet....
 
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My guess...and that's all it is...a guess is that as the year progresses the system will catch up with the delivery schedule. A new wave of MDW flights have already been announced for summer implementation. It will be interesting to see how they perform.

It will indeed, the ATA codeshare is peforming above expectations by all accounts and should give the additional service a fighting chance.


The new "A" pier in BWI will open in the next week or so lending additional expansion opportunities. I have my doubts that will happen with GK already saying BWI is hurting the numbers.

I have to assume PHL is cannabilizing some of BWI in effect taking back Customers in the PHL area who were driving to BWI. That being the case, there could still be room for expansion on routes that don't have PHL exposure.

The rumor mill had us opening 2 cities this year...it usually takes around 6 months to get a new station up and running. A late spring announcement could put a new dot on the map by fall. These will be interesting announcements, as cherry picking has become scarce for 737s and the present business model.

I don't have access to the official "short list" however, I think there are still a couple of cherries that have yet to be picked. As long as the markets are chosen carefully and CASM does not begin to intefere with BELF, the 737 will remain viable.

Absent hard data, I can't comment on SWA vs. AWA out west. I believe AWA overlaps SWA quite a bit out West.
There overall numbers are up, and yours are down. This tells me that there are defections.

Without route by route data it's tough to do an objective analysis...but like I said, defections would not surprise me....RapidReward gravy train has moved on and the frequent flyers are none too pleased.

Reinstatement of the program is the best idea.

Best for the Frequent Flyer but, not necessarily best for Southwest Airlines in the long term. The purpose of the online bonus was to push Customers to Southwest.com The best deals on SWA flights are internet only fares...so what happened was a situation was set up where you had Customers racking up free tickets flying in large measure on Southwest cheapest fares. Obviously, this was not a sustainable situation. A compromise may be to allow Customers to accrue credits over a 2 year period rather than only giving them a single year.

lowecur said:
GK seems to think the merger AWA/UAIR is bullish for SWA. To me it all depends on how it's structured and what kind of long term financial support will be in place. I for one see DP paring UAIRs route structure to profitable routes only, and then connecting the dots with some new city pairs. If it happens that way, SWA will need to adjust.

Regardless of how it plays out the merger of strong west coast competitor and a major albeit ailing east coast player would require Southwest to adjust. That is a given.

Fortunately they have the time and the money, but they just can't sit on their present business model and expect things to fall into place. He who hesitates is lost, and it will be interesting to see how GK responds.

As tempting as it seems to suggest that GK et al make significant changes to keep SWA viable. We all know it isn't that easy. A speedboat can make a course change much faster than an aircraft carrier. Overhauling ops at a 420+ airframe carrier is no small undertaking. If there were a downright refusal to even consider changing the way we do business...that would indeed be cause for concern. What we are seeing though is the SWA product evolving in well thought out increments as the industry changes. The funny thing about evolution is that the evolved is constantly a work in progress.
 
LJDRVR said:
You are not doing anything! You work in the insurance industry. Doug Parker and his management team have things under control and nobody here cares what you think.

That's what everyone was saying about Leo Mullin and company after 9/11. Complacency is a dangerous thing, especially in this industry.
 
snow-back said:
That's what everyone was saying about Leo Mullin and company after 9/11. Complacency is a dangerous thing, especially in this industry.

Leo was from the banking industry. He did know what he was doing...sucking DAL dry.
 
Lowecur, I read more than I post (as you can see), and I read alot of your post with an open view. You seem to be somewhat savy to what is happening in the aviation industry during these tough times. It is also obvious that your post are written with some forethought, as well as an overt bias torwards some carriers. Now that being said, I would like to ask a few questions: Why do you hound on SWA?: Have you read the book "Nuts"?: Why do you give some carries a pass?: Why do you have an interest in aviation?:
Well, those are the questions I had, and now for a personal comment:
SWA has fougt for everything we have, we have been given nothing, my brothers and sisters before me had the fortitude to overcome a post deregulation dawg fight. That fight led by not just one person, but by a company of people that believed in their leadership and the personal responsibility to one another. For years we were in constant battles to bring our product to the traveling public, and now that product just so happens to be the model of the furture. And NOW we are dawged by people like yourelf, that will praise JetBlue ( by the way I think is a darn good company) and in the same breath make a comparison to SWA. You can not compare the two with regards to the how they have reached and are continuing to reach their potential. I say GOOD luck to everyone in our industry and a specail good luck to my pilot buds. Lowecur, this is a our professsion not yours, OURS!!! Untill you have been through the training the years of working for low pay and building time just to get an opportunity to apply to a major airline or other facits of the aviation industry. . I also suggest you read the book Nuts, you could learn alot.
 
FlyinHigh737 said:
Lowecur, I read more than I post (as you can see), and I read alot of your post with an open view. You seem to be somewhat savy to what is happening in the aviation industry during these tough times. It is also obvious that your post are written with some forethought, as well as an overt bias torwards some carriers. Now that being said, I would like to ask a few questions: Why do you hound on SWA?:I want them to buy E-jets :) Have you read the book "Nuts"?: No. Why do you give some carries a pass?: I don't. I have had adversarial discussions with Jetblue pilots, AAI Pilots, AWA Pilots, and more. Why do you have an interest in aviation?: I have luved this business since I was a kid riding my bike to the airport. I have to be careful now though, as many of the WN crew buses have tried to run me off the road.:)
Well, those are the questions I had, and now for a personal comment:
SWA has fougt for everything we have, we have been given nothing, my brothers and sisters before me had the fortitude to overcome a post deregulation dawg fight. That fight led by not just one person, but by a company of people that believed in their leadership and the personal responsibility to one another. For years we were in constant battles to bring our product to the traveling public, and now that product just so happens to be the model of the furture. It's not the model of the future, and it needs to change. And NOW we are dawged by people like yourelf, that will praise JetBlue ( by the way I think is a darn good company) and in the same breath make a comparison to SWA. But, Jetblue will fly the 190. You can not compare the two with regards to the how they have reached and are continuing to reach their potential. That's why WN needs to change. I say GOOD luck to everyone in our industry and a specail good luck to my pilot buds. I second that thought. Lowecur, this is a our professsion not yours, OURS!!! I agree, but a contrarian opinion from us non-pilot types offers another point of view. No disrespect intended. Untill you have been through the training the years of working for low pay and building time just to get an opportunity to apply to a major airline or other facits of the aviation industry. . I also suggest you read the book Nuts, you could learn alot.
I will....:)
 
lowecur said:
There is an article in Fortune Magazine this week about a ramper at MDW taking GK over to a computer and showing him the stock price. He said, "that's my retirement, and it's not moving."

I plan on picking up a copy of that mag this week, as you must have subscription to read the rest of the article. It will be interesting to see if the article is flattering or skeptical of the future of SWA.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,1056173,00.html?promoid=yahoo


We have a choice on where are retirement money is invested with regards to 401K and Profit Sharing. Most people in the money business highly discourage placeing your retirement funds into the same company stock funds that you work for. Kinda like having all your eggs in the same basket. LUV has done well for a long time but I personally dont see it going up and splitting like it did in the old days. Diversity is the key.
 
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DALLAS, May 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines Co. (NYSE: LUV - News) announced today that the Company flew 4.8 billion revenue passenger miles (RPMs) in April 2005, a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...


a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...
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a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...

are you starting to get it?
 
Lowecur --

Of course, only a quote from "Billy Madison" would suffice here:

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
 
Okay my Kraut-Mick friend, EagleB2Skipper will never get that job because I
hate that pinko punk and I'm going
to run him out of the Airlines. And
I'll tell you why. He ruined one of
my most valuable
proteges. For five years I had this
girl under training; singing lessons!
Acting lessons! Dancing lessons! We
spent hundreds of thousands of dollars--
I was going to make her a star. I'll
be even more frank, just to show you
that I'm not a hard-hearted man,
that it wasn't all dollars and cents.
That girl was beautiful and young
and innocent and she was the greatest
piece of ass I've ever had and I've
had them all over the world. Then
EagleB2Skipper comes along with that olive
oil voice and guinea charm and she
runs off. She threw it all away to
make me look ridiculous. A MAN IN MY
POSITION CANNOT AFFORD TO BE MADE TO
LOOK RIDICULOUS!
 
TexaSWA said:
DALLAS, May 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines Co. (NYSE: LUV - News) announced today that the Company flew 4.8 billion revenue passenger miles (RPMs) in April 2005, a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...


a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...
a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...
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a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...

are you starting to get it?
Wwweeeeaaaaakkkkk!!!!
 

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