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My guess...and that's all it is...a guess is that as the year progresses the system will catch up with the delivery schedule. A new wave of MDW flights have already been announced for summer implementation. It will be interesting to see how they perform.

It will indeed, the ATA codeshare is peforming above expectations by all accounts and should give the additional service a fighting chance.


The new "A" pier in BWI will open in the next week or so lending additional expansion opportunities. I have my doubts that will happen with GK already saying BWI is hurting the numbers.

I have to assume PHL is cannabilizing some of BWI in effect taking back Customers in the PHL area who were driving to BWI. That being the case, there could still be room for expansion on routes that don't have PHL exposure.

The rumor mill had us opening 2 cities this year...it usually takes around 6 months to get a new station up and running. A late spring announcement could put a new dot on the map by fall. These will be interesting announcements, as cherry picking has become scarce for 737s and the present business model.

I don't have access to the official "short list" however, I think there are still a couple of cherries that have yet to be picked. As long as the markets are chosen carefully and CASM does not begin to intefere with BELF, the 737 will remain viable.

Absent hard data, I can't comment on SWA vs. AWA out west. I believe AWA overlaps SWA quite a bit out West.
There overall numbers are up, and yours are down. This tells me that there are defections.

Without route by route data it's tough to do an objective analysis...but like I said, defections would not surprise me....RapidReward gravy train has moved on and the frequent flyers are none too pleased.

Reinstatement of the program is the best idea.

Best for the Frequent Flyer but, not necessarily best for Southwest Airlines in the long term. The purpose of the online bonus was to push Customers to Southwest.com The best deals on SWA flights are internet only fares...so what happened was a situation was set up where you had Customers racking up free tickets flying in large measure on Southwest cheapest fares. Obviously, this was not a sustainable situation. A compromise may be to allow Customers to accrue credits over a 2 year period rather than only giving them a single year.

lowecur said:
GK seems to think the merger AWA/UAIR is bullish for SWA. To me it all depends on how it's structured and what kind of long term financial support will be in place. I for one see DP paring UAIRs route structure to profitable routes only, and then connecting the dots with some new city pairs. If it happens that way, SWA will need to adjust.

Regardless of how it plays out the merger of strong west coast competitor and a major albeit ailing east coast player would require Southwest to adjust. That is a given.

Fortunately they have the time and the money, but they just can't sit on their present business model and expect things to fall into place. He who hesitates is lost, and it will be interesting to see how GK responds.

As tempting as it seems to suggest that GK et al make significant changes to keep SWA viable. We all know it isn't that easy. A speedboat can make a course change much faster than an aircraft carrier. Overhauling ops at a 420+ airframe carrier is no small undertaking. If there were a downright refusal to even consider changing the way we do business...that would indeed be cause for concern. What we are seeing though is the SWA product evolving in well thought out increments as the industry changes. The funny thing about evolution is that the evolved is constantly a work in progress.
 
LJDRVR said:
You are not doing anything! You work in the insurance industry. Doug Parker and his management team have things under control and nobody here cares what you think.

That's what everyone was saying about Leo Mullin and company after 9/11. Complacency is a dangerous thing, especially in this industry.
 
snow-back said:
That's what everyone was saying about Leo Mullin and company after 9/11. Complacency is a dangerous thing, especially in this industry.

Leo was from the banking industry. He did know what he was doing...sucking DAL dry.
 
Lowecur, I read more than I post (as you can see), and I read alot of your post with an open view. You seem to be somewhat savy to what is happening in the aviation industry during these tough times. It is also obvious that your post are written with some forethought, as well as an overt bias torwards some carriers. Now that being said, I would like to ask a few questions: Why do you hound on SWA?: Have you read the book "Nuts"?: Why do you give some carries a pass?: Why do you have an interest in aviation?:
Well, those are the questions I had, and now for a personal comment:
SWA has fougt for everything we have, we have been given nothing, my brothers and sisters before me had the fortitude to overcome a post deregulation dawg fight. That fight led by not just one person, but by a company of people that believed in their leadership and the personal responsibility to one another. For years we were in constant battles to bring our product to the traveling public, and now that product just so happens to be the model of the furture. And NOW we are dawged by people like yourelf, that will praise JetBlue ( by the way I think is a darn good company) and in the same breath make a comparison to SWA. You can not compare the two with regards to the how they have reached and are continuing to reach their potential. I say GOOD luck to everyone in our industry and a specail good luck to my pilot buds. Lowecur, this is a our professsion not yours, OURS!!! Untill you have been through the training the years of working for low pay and building time just to get an opportunity to apply to a major airline or other facits of the aviation industry. . I also suggest you read the book Nuts, you could learn alot.
 
FlyinHigh737 said:
Lowecur, I read more than I post (as you can see), and I read alot of your post with an open view. You seem to be somewhat savy to what is happening in the aviation industry during these tough times. It is also obvious that your post are written with some forethought, as well as an overt bias torwards some carriers. Now that being said, I would like to ask a few questions: Why do you hound on SWA?:I want them to buy E-jets :) Have you read the book "Nuts"?: No. Why do you give some carries a pass?: I don't. I have had adversarial discussions with Jetblue pilots, AAI Pilots, AWA Pilots, and more. Why do you have an interest in aviation?: I have luved this business since I was a kid riding my bike to the airport. I have to be careful now though, as many of the WN crew buses have tried to run me off the road.:)
Well, those are the questions I had, and now for a personal comment:
SWA has fougt for everything we have, we have been given nothing, my brothers and sisters before me had the fortitude to overcome a post deregulation dawg fight. That fight led by not just one person, but by a company of people that believed in their leadership and the personal responsibility to one another. For years we were in constant battles to bring our product to the traveling public, and now that product just so happens to be the model of the furture. It's not the model of the future, and it needs to change. And NOW we are dawged by people like yourelf, that will praise JetBlue ( by the way I think is a darn good company) and in the same breath make a comparison to SWA. But, Jetblue will fly the 190. You can not compare the two with regards to the how they have reached and are continuing to reach their potential. That's why WN needs to change. I say GOOD luck to everyone in our industry and a specail good luck to my pilot buds. I second that thought. Lowecur, this is a our professsion not yours, OURS!!! I agree, but a contrarian opinion from us non-pilot types offers another point of view. No disrespect intended. Untill you have been through the training the years of working for low pay and building time just to get an opportunity to apply to a major airline or other facits of the aviation industry. . I also suggest you read the book Nuts, you could learn alot.
I will....:)
 
lowecur said:
There is an article in Fortune Magazine this week about a ramper at MDW taking GK over to a computer and showing him the stock price. He said, "that's my retirement, and it's not moving."

I plan on picking up a copy of that mag this week, as you must have subscription to read the rest of the article. It will be interesting to see if the article is flattering or skeptical of the future of SWA.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,1056173,00.html?promoid=yahoo


We have a choice on where are retirement money is invested with regards to 401K and Profit Sharing. Most people in the money business highly discourage placeing your retirement funds into the same company stock funds that you work for. Kinda like having all your eggs in the same basket. LUV has done well for a long time but I personally dont see it going up and splitting like it did in the old days. Diversity is the key.
 
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DALLAS, May 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines Co. (NYSE: LUV - News) announced today that the Company flew 4.8 billion revenue passenger miles (RPMs) in April 2005, a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...


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are you starting to get it?
 
Lowecur --

Of course, only a quote from "Billy Madison" would suffice here:

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
 
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hate that pinko punk and I'm going
to run him out of the Airlines. And
I'll tell you why. He ruined one of
my most valuable
proteges. For five years I had this
girl under training; singing lessons!
Acting lessons! Dancing lessons! We
spent hundreds of thousands of dollars--
I was going to make her a star. I'll
be even more frank, just to show you
that I'm not a hard-hearted man,
that it wasn't all dollars and cents.
That girl was beautiful and young
and innocent and she was the greatest
piece of ass I've ever had and I've
had them all over the world. Then
EagleB2Skipper comes along with that olive
oil voice and guinea charm and she
runs off. She threw it all away to
make me look ridiculous. A MAN IN MY
POSITION CANNOT AFFORD TO BE MADE TO
LOOK RIDICULOUS!
 
TexaSWA said:
DALLAS, May 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines Co. (NYSE: LUV - News) announced today that the Company flew 4.8 billion revenue passenger miles (RPMs) in April 2005, a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...


a 2.5 percent increase from the 4.7 billion RPMs flown in April 2004...
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are you starting to get it?
Wwweeeeaaaaakkkkk!!!!
 
It's not the model of the future, and it needs to change.

Wrong. Again.

But, Jetblue will fly the 190

Their mistake.
 

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