SWA announcement on the 9th

[bravodude]

And I guess my friends at SWA who disagree with the ignorance you arer spewing here are also his friends too. So far you seem to be in the extreme minority with your views. There should be pages and pages of SWA pilots agreeing with you if what you say is true, but there are not.

And besides that, what if the other pilot group just magically decided that, in the event of a merger, you should all be fired and required to reinterview at the bottom of the list, if management decided to hire you? Would you accept that? What if the other pilot group thought your culture was inferior?

Do you really think any arbitrator will care who'se culture is the best? Do you think that because of your culture you will get one seniority number more oe less than someone else becasue of their company's culture? You will get a combination of what's in your contract, what's in the other company's contract, the law and most likely an arbitrator's decision. None of that will take into consideration culture for one microsecond.

The only "culture protection" you have is your management worrying enough about it to not attempt to make a move like that in the first place. If they do, you will end up in the exact same position you would have without your culture and without the interview process you are so proud that you got through.

Maybe you got a tad arrogant because you think that because your company bought some ATA assets and they only got interviews, that any and all mergers/acquisitons/takeovers/etc will go that way as a matter of your superior culture. You are both wrong in fact and extremely arrogant in opinion. Your culture will not overcome contracts and labor law, except maybe in your dreams.[/quote

If thats the case i tell you what go ask your friends for their login info to our union website and see for yourself. second if your friends are not man enough to tell you how they feel thats not my problem again i say go look at our website. And last that is why in the end we will never buy anyone if anything we will by airplanes. culture is what has made this company such a great place to work and if you or lear 70 think that mgt or the union or the pilot group is going to throw that away than you are saddly mistaken. If you can tell me that you would just sit back and watch your sen. number just slip away because your company bought someone that you are better person then me but I think you would be right there asking for a staple.
Like I said before there are plenty of threads about airlines other then SW go troll somewhere else and stop acting like a jeolus little girl.

 

[bravodude]

DINGDINGDINGDING!!

We have a winner!

I'm very glad that, of my too-numerous-to-count commutes on SWA to DTW for 3 years straight, the many great Southwest people I met (and continue to meet) have NEVER displayed your level of sheer arrogance.

Just goes to show, there's toolbags at every airline, no matter how good the interview process. uke:

You know I have some choicewords I would like to say but unlike you I will take the high road.

 

[IronCityBlue]

You know I have some choicewords I would like to say but unlike you I will take the high road.

Yeah, gotta start with that sometime, right?

As far advocating a staple, that's fine. Go for the most you can. That doesn't bother me. But so will the other group. Do you really think an arbitrator will give you a windfall because of your culture? Dude, with all due respect to your mostly first class pilot group, and don't take this personally or let it tarnish your hiring process based identity, okay? But NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No arbitrator is going to award you the other group being stapled because of your culture, and certainlly not the other group being fired in their entirety and being forced to reinterview. Its just not going to happen. If you get to staple a group it will be because of what's in or not in their contract, labor law, and many other things, not one of which is your culture, no matter how good it is.

Now, maybe you will only "buy airplanes" as you say. You are already doing that though, from Boeing. But in addition you are selling and deferring airplanes. Its not airframes that you need. You very well may be in a position to benefit logistically from buying an airline. If you do, and Gary has repeatedly said its a consideration, that other airline's pilot group will get the result of their contract, labor law and most likely an arbitrator's decision. Culture applies to neither.

Your arrogance is sickening.

 

[USMC319]

Bravodude,
You are a walking contradiction to the Southwest culture and to your peers. Get a clue.

 

[Whine Lover]

"Cul-ture: Biology - A growth or culture as in bacteria."

I got yer' "culture" right here B.D. you penis eating Microbe.

Happy New Year!


YKW

 

[Frap]

I got yer' "culture" right here B.D. you penis eating Microbe.


[/quote]

THAT is outstanding...

 

[FlyByNight1]

you all are bush-league

 

[Lear70]

you all are bush-league

Yeah, I know... but I *LIKE* bush (in the non-presidential meaning of the term).

You got a problem with that?

:beer:

 

[WNC Flyer]

This thread's gone down the toilet... Of course it was based on hearsay anyway.

Go Redskins!

 

[TV9Driver]

I'm sorry, did I stumble on the TWA/AA merger discussion??? It seems that i've smelled this filth before.

When are people going to realize that we are only flying at the airline we are flying at because we knew someone there who got us an interiview. It has nothing to do with how good you are or think you are. WE ARE ALL BUS DRIVERS.

Good luck to everyone.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The only thing SWA will be buying is its oversold stock back. I think you will see SWA parking the older aircraft and uping the utilization of the others to aviod furloughs. With the credit card crisis looming on the horizon, capacity is needing to be cut.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Good luck to all thoughs at the bottom of the SWA seniority list. Furloughs are no doubt in the future.

 

[B727Driver]

that means Tanker Clown won't be there anytime soon.....there is a God! This allows you to add to your 2800+ hrs. Stay in the military world, you don't know squat about airlines.
By the way, no furloughs, nice try.

 

[Tanker Clown]

that means Tanker Clown won't be there anytime soon.....there is a God! This allows you to add to your 2800+ hrs. Stay in the military world, you don't know squat about airlines.
By the way, no furloughs, nice try.

Loads are down from last year, oil is $100 a barrel and going higher, only one class in Jan and that's probably it for the year....I think a furlough has about a 50/50 chance. SWA may have great culture, but in the end it's a business....and if they needed to furlough then they would they would furlough.

 

[JumpJetter]

Loads are down from last year, oil is $100 a barrel and going higher, only one class in Jan and that's probably it for the year....I think a furlough has about a 50/50 chance. SWA may have great culture, but in the end it's a business....and if they needed to furlough then they would they would furlough.

you mean like they DIDN'T furlough after 9-11? You're new around here, huh?

 

[Lear70]

Loads are down from last year, oil is $100 a barrel and going higher, only one class in Jan and that's probably it for the year....I think a furlough has about a 50/50 chance.

Doubt it.

They'd have to shrink CONSIDERABLY for that to happen.

SWA may have great culture, but in the end it's a business....and if they needed to furlough then they would they would furlough.

Historically, that's not exactly accurate.

Southwest has gone through periods where furloughs WOULD have made good business sense, but were short-term (6 months or so) before they'd need to start bringing people back.

In those cases, they've always retained them and just sucked up the extra cost and lowered the line value averages (there's some history on Southwest about this if you'll do a little research).

Things would have to be pretty dire indeed for SWA to get to that point... With their hedges over the next few years plus their profitability, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Not that they're immune, just well-insulated from needing to screw with their employees like that (they understand what that does to people and have avoided it quite well over the years).

 

[Tanker Clown]

Ask a SWA guy, Herb isn't running the place anymore. GK would furlough to get the stock price up if he needed to. You guys thought I was crazy when I said that classes would pretty much come to a stop. And they did. In '01 oil was still in the $20s. SWA guys were on the very low side of the pay scale and they company had a bunch of markets it could exploit. Now oil is at $100, SWA guys are the highest paid, and the only markets left to grow in are the NY type places that are at odds with the way SWA works.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I don't think anyone will get furloughed, however, I could see SWA pulling out of some cities and moving aircraft to places where they can be used better. there will be virtually no growth in this industry until a 737/A320&19/DC9/717 replacement. That is what...at least 2015?

 

[Tanker Clown]

I agree with what all of you guys are saying, but in the end, it's a business. Kind of like the line from Jerry McGuire (sp), "It's not show-friends, it's show-business."

This GK seems to be as loyal to the stock holders as he is to the employee groups.

 

[Daddy]

What a bunch of tools