SWA and IPADS

[Saluki Dawg]

The whole pilot group should be using them sometime in May.

 

[ultrarunner]

Being 'overthought' at some level....

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Don't over think it, you'll wind up with a POS like we have in the fractionals and a huge IT dept to support/screw it up.

 

[Tripower455]

I haven't been able to use it in the AC yet, but so far, I like what I see of the software. BIG improvement over the ship's sets.

Heck, just being able to find the chart I need without having to search through the logbook to find out where the AC has been in the last 4 days (because apparently, ABC123 is too difficult to figure out for some folks), will be a huge improvement. Not having to collate and put away the charts that the last guy left out to "help out" will be nice too.

It'll be nice to get back that real estate next to the seat again, although, they'll probably find something to stuff in there......

 

[fr8doggie]

Are you guys using FD Pro?

 

[scoreboardII]

No. One guy had it and it did seem pretty cool though.

 

[waveflyer]

No. One guy had it and it did seem pretty cool though.

???

No, we're using JeppFDPro

 

[scoreboardII]

My bad, I was thinking of the other flight software Foreflight, not FD.

On another note, we as a pilot group might get this train toward using this stuff moving faster if less than 1000 pilots failed to enroll their ipads by the very generous enrollment deadline. YGBSM.

 

[fr8doggie]

Are you allowed to use the enroute portion? I jumped on AA the other day and was surprised to find they had to use paper charts for enroute. We (FDX) can use FDPro for all phases of flight. Just interested in what everybody else is doing.

 

[ERfly]

Are you allowed to use the enroute portion? I jumped on AA the other day and was surprised to find they had to use paper charts for enroute. We (FDX) can use FDPro for all phases of flight. Just interested in what everybody else is doing.

Airways can also use the iPad Jepps for all phases of flight, even the enroute charts.

 

[waveflyer]

The testers use the enroute part
Don't know why you wouldn't

 

[dicko]

Interesting new video on Americans iPad usage. Absolutely ingenious -

http://youtu.be/ByyFYFu6q2I

 

[aa73]

AA has us using Jepp TC Pro, not FD, due to certain geographical areas in the world AA operates in that Jepp wasn't ready to upload into FD. As such, we use TC for now, and TC does not have the enroute electronic or 10-1 charts, so we have to carry those. We're told we'll be switching to FD end of this year or next year. So you see, SW bubbas, we at AA can be just as much in the dark ages ?

That said, the iPad has been absolutely awesome. You guys are gonna love em. Just hope we can find a better iPad holder then those cumbersome Ram mounts.

 

[waveflyer]

Interesting new video on Americans iPad usage. Absolutely ingenious -

http://youtu.be/ByyFYFu6q2I

Nice!!
RAM IT!
Haha

 

[waveflyer]

AA has us using Jepp TC Pro, not FD, due to certain geographical areas in the world AA operates in that Jepp wasn't ready to upload into FD. As such, we use TC for now, and TC does not have the enroute electronic or 10-1 charts, so we have to carry those. We're told we'll be switching to FD end of this year or next year. So you see, SW bubbas, we at AA can be just as much in the dark ages ?

That said, the iPad has been absolutely awesome. You guys are gonna love em. Just hope we can find a better iPad holder then those cumbersome Ram mounts.

That's good info aa. And sounds like it was on jepp's end not yours.

Can't wait til they flip the switch- should be in may

 

[meanstreak]

Is ACARS weight and balance in the works? I was told it was approved but waiting on the FAA for approval. Thanks

 

[Citrusflyer]

The ipads have to be cellular capable - anyone know if we have to buy a plan along with it?

 

[waveflyer]

You do not have to buy a plan
You just need the cell version for the GPS that doesn't come with the wifi version

 

[begsby]

So what happens if you drop your ipad? Does the company give you another 500 bucks? Because in fact the ram mounts do fall off the window.

 

[SWA Bubba]

So what happens if you drop your ipad? Does the company give you another 500 bucks? Because in fact the ram mounts do fall off the window.

Actually, it's more than $500, since we have to have the 32G cellular version. And yes, they will, according to the MOU between the company and union.

The company provides cases to individual pilots, and mounts in each plane, and self-insures the iPads without liability to the individual pilot. If it gets broken or stolen, or otherwise fails, the company will pay have it fixed or replaced, and provide a loaner in the meanwhile. The only thing the pilot is liable for, is if he or she actually loses it. Then you get to buy a new one out of your pocket.

It seems a pretty reasonable policy to me.

Bubba

 

[scoreboardII]

One guy already has the record of breaking two, and both reimbursed. So, he is on his third.

 

[waveflyer]

Why would they reimburse him now before a he's allowed to use them?
If he's group 1 or 2, they're covered already? Before the rest of us? and have covers and mounts for the Air that the company said they need to do any claims?

 

[scoreboardII]

Because they agreed to cover them the day they required us to buy them. Even without the case.

First partial shipment of cases are in the DAL office waiting for paperwork to be completed. Looking to be on track for end of May.

 

[waveflyer]

Oh, I didn't know that.
I just assumed they weren't covered until the case was on

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Interesting new video on Americans iPad usage. Absolutely ingenious -

http://youtu.be/ByyFYFu6q2I

That's right, the man responsible for the 160 lives aboard that 737 just licked the side view window.

 

[scoreboardII]

Oh, I didn't know that.
I just assumed they weren't covered until the case was on

that's what we thought as well.

Then the cases took about two months longer than they wanted, although still inside their May start date. So they announced if you buy it, it's covered case or not.

Now, two months from now, you better have a case on it.

The cases are pretty cool, word is they are custom made for SWA to be both a case and mount. In other words, a pilot took charge and got it done.

 

[waveflyer]

From what I've heard, will ware and that team have done a great job- technically, AND navigating both corporate and govt beaurocracy

Well done

 

[canyonblue]

From what I've heard, will ware and that team have done a great job- technically, AND navigating both corporate and govt beaurocracy

Well done

Will has done an unbelievable job, some of the FAA bureaucracy has been mind numbing.

 

[King Air Evac]

Will the iPads be used for in flight weather? Or just for charts and manuals? Just curious about the inter-connectivity. Can you use an external GPS like the Bad Elf or Garmin GLO? Do you use the geo-referencing on the charts? What about on the planes that have wi-fi? Can you connect to it? Is there a place in the cockpit you can plug it in to charge?

I know there is a lot of capability out there, but just curious how Southwest is going to use them. The Army is allowing iPads in the cockpit, but in typical military fashion, so restrictive to be almost not worth the effort.

Thanks

 

[scoreboardII]

Small steps to start, first just Jepps and pubs (AOM, FOM, etc). Then eventually, wifi on the ground for wx. Then wifi inflight for realtime wx. Then wifi to connect aircraft GPS as an input to ipad for moving map. Talk even of someday loading flights start to finish on one ipad, and Bluetooth the data to other ipad.

No timeline for any of this.