SWA/Airtran pilot integration thoughts, what will the new list look like?

[Secret Squirrel]

The cap is only on your contribution. the total tax free is $44,000 between yours and company contribution. You can put in $16,500 and the rest can be company contribution.

 

[scoreboardII]

so back to what the list will look like, the benefits discussion would make another great topic...

 

[gt1900]

Got it. Thanks.

 

[filejw]

A staple is not against the law. It may not be what happens but "no staple" is not what B/M and A/M say. Do your research.

True but the federal law is based on Allegheny /Mohawk and that was not a staple.

 

[Ad Lib]

Relative Seniority with credit given for your airline's guessed at attrition.

At least that is the precedent set by DAL.

WN should call Shamu "Super Premium Whale Flying" and fence it.

 

[freightdogfred]

It should go by last 4 digits of your social security. 3000's first, then 7000's, 1000's, 5000's, 4000's, 0000's, 9000's, 2000's, 6000's and last 8000's. Also you should be able to move up and down with the people directly next to you by winning a best of three challenge. The best of 3 challenge can come from this list: 40 yard sprint, max reps of 135 bench press, a game of Risk, a best of 3 series of rock/scissors/paper, hot dog eating contest, a race around the world by boat, drinking contest of some kind or contest of who can jump off the highest platform and survive. If the 2 contestants can't come to an agreement on the challenges then the challenge selection goes to an arbitrator.

HaHa you a funny guy I like it...How bout ya put together the best five teams on each side, and race in the Interline regatta? It's all just in time, the regatta starts 2nd week in October

 

[General Lee]

Date of hire, no bump and flush.

Hey Friends,

Looking at the last couple mergers, I would think this would go to Arbitrators, and they will decide. Each side puts up a defense and their own proposed list, and then the arbitrators will decide. Very unlikely there will be any staple thanks to the Bond/McCaskil bill. Other than that, it's great that my GOOD friend Ty Webb will now see the beautiful paradise of Lubbock, Texas, at a really good pay rate too. You guys are FANTASTIC, and don't ever forget that! Bye Friends!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ATLplt]

HaHa you a funny guy I like it...How bout ya put together the best five teams on each side, and race in the Interline regatta? It's all just in time, the regatta starts 2nd week in October

Says the guy wants is a free Captain ride on the regatta. You're too expensive Freddie. Are you actually going this year?

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

I think they are talking about the $16500 match from the company, not what you contributed. They will match up to 16500, then it goes in to the excess fund. You won't see the excess funds deposited until March, I think, and I have no idea why.



You can't contribute beyond 16500. But they company can match beyond 16500 as long as the total from all sources doesnt go beyond 49000. To get the 16500 from the company, you'll have to make 177,000. After that, it will go into the excess fund.

No, I'm not sure what they may be asking but I've hit the 16.5 and I am no longer contributing (Daddy got a Pay Raise in Sept. by 20%!)

KBB

(I contribute 20% so I get a pay raise for the holidays BUT with the retro check "MY RAISE" came much earlier this year!...Thank you SWAPA!)

 

[shagadelic]

No, I'm not sure what they may be asking but I've hit the 16.5 and I am no longer contributing (Daddy got a Pay Raise in Sept. by 20%!)

Sure, the company will continue to contribute. The question was will they continue once the company contributes $16,500. At 20% you will do it way earlier than they will at 9.3 percent. In fact, if you just hit the $16500 in August, then the company won't contribute $16500 in to your 401k this year as you won't make enough. My point was the company will contribute more than the match of $16500 if you make over $177,000, but your personal contributions are limited to $16500. Clear as mud?

 

[Whataburger]

Hey Friends,

Looking at the last couple mergers, I would think this would go to Arbitrators, and they will decide. Each side puts up a defense and their own proposed list, and then the arbitrators will decide. Very unlikely there will be any staple thanks to the Bond/McCaskil bill. Other than that, it's great that my GOOD friend Ty Webb will now see the beautiful paradise of Lubbock, Texas, at a really good pay rate too. You guys are FANTASTIC, and don't ever forget that! Bye Friends!


Bye Bye--General Lee

That reminds me, how many days a month do DAL reserve pilots have off a month?

I cant wait to fly the first ATL-LBB leg. Looks like big screen tv's and pizza party for the ATL folks!! Can we ask for Direct LBB out of 10 or 12 thousand feet? Thx.

 

[GuppyWN]

That reminds me, how many days a month do DAL reserve pilots have off a month?

I cant wait to fly the first ATL-LBB leg. Looks like big screen tv's and pizza party for the ATL folks!! Can we ask for Direct LBB out of 10 or 12 thousand feet? Thx.

I think he said 10 but I could be wrong. Does that sound right?

And directs are out of 12 because downwind is from 9 to 11!

Gup

 

[scoreboardII]

Hey Friends,

You guys are FANTASTIC, and don't ever forget that! Bye Friends!


Bye Bye--General Lee

So, did general leave his screen open or did someone hack him?

 

[GuppyWN]

He's being nice because he now realizes that it is only a matter of time.

Gup

 

[amF16]

Relative seniority based on average W-2 gross over the last 3 years, sounds fair to me. Of course that will equate to a staple somewhere around the 85th percentile.

 

[waveflyer]

I say we do max reps at 225 like it should be and we have a deal!!

 

[carl p]

Relative seniority based on average W-2 gross over the last 3 years, sounds fair to me. Of course that will equate to a staple somewhere around the 85th percentile.

Let me guess...you've been at SWA about 3-4 years. Has the whole idea about using W2's in a merger/acquisition ever been done, because it sounds really lame. DOH...fine, relative seniority....fine, rock paper scissors...fine, not some creative BS that's never been done before just because it provides the results you want. So much potential, I really hope both sides can see the big picture and not just our own individual slice of the pie. That's the problem with this job, too much I've got mine...pull up the ladder. We need to appreciate the value in each company and keep the respect we've had as adversaries. Obviously GK knows we are a formidable opponent in the markets we compete with SWA and Delta in. Everyone at AT has a healthy dose of respect for LUV. Each company has had to fight the big boys tooth and nail to survive and prosper along the way, the "kindred warrior spirit" GK was talking about.

 

[amF16]

Value.................. didn’t you just authorize a strike at
AAI. Relative integration is a pay increase for every AAI pilot day one. What do SWA pilots get day one?

 

[Whataburger]

I'm thinking demolition derby, a poker game, or paintball game.

 

[Kharma Police]

Value.................. didn’t you just authorize a strike at
AAI. Relative integration is a pay increase for every AAI pilot day one. What do SWA pilots get day one?

Growth

 

[amF16]

Or better yet how about we never merge the list and tie it up for years in the courts, like USair/AWA. Enjoy you contract and we will enjoy ours.

 

[Kharma Police]

or better yet how about we never merge the list and tie it up for years in the courts, like usair/awa. Enjoy you contract and we will enjoy ours.

must, refrain, from, smart a$$ comment, Batman!!!!!

 

[scoreboardII]

Growth

No, SWA gets growth, SWA pilots get integrated into a larger company with slowed growth, taking longer to upgrade. So what do SWA pilots get again?

 

[LearLove]

I'm thinking demolition derby, a poker game, or paintball game.

hey what have i been saying for years as a merger solution?

STEEL CAGE MATCH !!!!

I suggested this for the 2000-2001 aaa/ual fiasco and again for our current mess also mentioned it for MDA/Rep and DAL/NWA but nobody seems to listen.

I think it would be great.

1. Both pilot groups pick a neutral area. In this case MEM (about half was between ATL and DAL), the pilots of Fedex could referee.

2. Build a giant steel cage on the ramp

3. put all pilots involved from both lists in cage

4. Ring giant bell and unleash free for all knock out fest

5. first pilot down/taps out/runs gets the last position on the list and the next gets the second to last and on and on till the last pilot standing. Last pilot standing gets seniority number one.

Pretty straight forward if you ask me.

 

[Full of LUV]

Done by heigth?

Let me guess...you've been at SWA about 3-4 years. Has the whole idea about using W2's in a merger/acquisition ever been done, because it sounds really lame. DOH...fine, relative seniority....fine, rock paper scissors...fine, not some creative BS that's never been done before just because it provides the results you want. So much potential, I really hope both sides can see the big picture and not just our own individual slice of the pie. That's the problem with this job, too much I've got mine...pull up the ladder. We need to appreciate the value in each company and keep the respect we've had as adversaries. Obviously GK knows we are a formidable opponent in the markets we compete with SWA and Delta in. Everyone at AT has a healthy dose of respect for LUV. Each company has had to fight the big boys tooth and nail to survive and prosper along the way, the "kindred warrior spirit" GK was talking about.

I think it should be done by height, now would that be from tallest to shortest or vice versa?

 

[Full of LUV]

I think it should be done by height, now would that be from tallest to shortest or vice versa?

Or maybe by gut size as the larger the gut the shorter the longevity left with the company......

 

[Full of LUV]

No, SWA gets growth, SWA pilots get integrated into a larger company with slowed growth, taking longer to upgrade. So what do SWA pilots get again?

They get to say things like the following on the web boards,

Watch out Delta.... were commin to kick your ass.....

Delta was the largest airline and were gonna eat their lunch....

When does Delta leave ATL because SWA moved in.....

That's what they get....

 

[ATLplt]

Value.................. didn’t you just authorize a strike at
AAI. Relative integration is a pay increase for every AAI pilot day one. What do SWA pilots get day one?

Gee, glad to work with you too, brother.

You get to work with some fine professionals doing the EXACT same job you do. OUR combined company grows, OUR stock price increases, WE gain access to key markets not previously served, and WE ALL get to be a part of a kick-ass combined organization. That's what YOU get. Any problems with that, Richard Cranium?

Don't even begin to mention upgrade time. I'm about to start my 5th year here and figured on upgrading within 2-4 more. That just got extended to 10-15. Sh!t happens. Enjoy the pay and job security and let the merger committees and arbitrator sort everything out.

 

[kc81900]

DOH. No bump no flush.

M

First of all, Great picture!!! Second, even DOH would be a windfall for airtran pilots you want the 40+% pay raise and give nothing up for it. Why do Southwest pilots have to give while air tran pilots reap the rewards. if you want the $ what are you willing to give? I don't want to see anything about a staple but the more people say we want the money and relative seniority or even DOH the more I want to tell my rep STAPLE.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Or better yet how about we never merge the list and tie it up for years in the courts, like USair/AWA. Enjoy you contract and we will enjoy ours.

What's with all those negative waves, Moriarity?

Sorry, I watch too many movies. With GK being a numbers guy and having guided SWA through a very tough decade, he wouldn't have gone with this acquisition if he didn't think it would make a lot of money, which, in turn helps to grow the airline and make more Captain spots available. I believe we can come to a fair SLI, so let's keep the negative stuff off the board and look at the positives. Yeah .....I know...this flight info....