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Read the rest of my post...it was just a friendly joke, geeeze
 
AirBadger said:
26 is pretty young. Wonder how he/she pulled that off.
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I have a few friends that got hired at SWA at 26-28 years old. A few of them just got lucky with the 1000 PIC turbine by upgrading at their commuter at 1-1.5 years. They got their type and got hired with around 4500 TT.
 
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Scrapdog said:
All in all, there are some very solid, outstanding civ guys I've trained with. But SWA/FO is "that guy" that gives civilian guys a bad name. I do take that sh*t seriously, because he is the reason why we have that rift going between the civ/mil thing.:puke:
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Did you ever think that maybe you are "that guy" that gives all military guys a bad name?:)
 
I am in the penalty box

Interviewed with more than the minimum, typed with 121 PIC. The interview made me want SWA more than before. I keep the faith and just keep building time. You never know what the P.D. looks for, but persistance can't hurt.


Goodluck Everyone SWA is the place to be
 
GuppyWN said:
It's well known that SWA is very military friendly.
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Oh really? SWA might be a military friendly employer as a whole, but according to my sources and compared to other 121 carriers, it is not military friendly toward guard/reserve pilots - despite the flight ops self-promotion that you might hear. Ask a DAL guy for example about the process to drop a trip to work for the military and compare it to SWA. Or, SWA's "unofficial" ( because it would violate USERRA) one trip drop per month policy.

Maybe there is a reason SWA is hiring more civilian than military these days. Would also be illegal, but they don't have to say why the monthly hiring list is what it is.

I'm sure the military haters will jump in now to claim all us part time military guys scam the system, but I'd like them to try doing both jobs for a few months to see how it works out.
 
Goodluck Everyone SWA is the place to be
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thats the fact jack!

Civilians (in most cases) are unable to fly on the side to make $ or secure a retirement plan. Military guys are just workin' their plan. Nothing wrong with working a plan.
 
Benjamin Dover said:
Oh really? SWA might be a military friendly employer as a whole, but according to my sources and compared to other 121 carriers, it is not military friendly toward guard/reserve pilots - despite the flight ops self-promotion that you might hear. Ask a DAL guy for example about the process to drop a trip to work for the military and compare it to SWA. Or, SWA's "unofficial" ( because it would violate USERRA) one trip drop per month policy.
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Don't know about DAL, but I fill out the online form and my trip goes away. It seems pretty easy to me. I've never heard of the one trip policy, I've dropped more many times without incident.

That said, I have heard some bases CP's have been leaning on the new hires not to drop too many trips. Guess that's the reason they stopped having the CP's deal with mil drop.
 
some are scammers.....
 
As for the age thing. The class that started today, there are 4-5 that are under the age of 30, the youngest being 27.
 
T1bubba said:
Don't know about DAL, but I fill out the online form and my trip goes away. It seems pretty easy to me. I've never heard of the one trip policy, I've dropped more many times without incident.

That said, I have heard some bases CP's have been leaning on the new hires not to drop too many trips. Guess that's the reason they stopped having the CP's deal with mil drop.
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I think you are misinformed if you don't think the CP's deal with the mil drop. Ask your chief sometime to see if the secretary just forwards the form to scheduling and the trip goes away or if every trip drop goes thru a chief or asst. chief before it gets to scheds. That is the first difference.

Also, when does your trip go away so you can plan your life? Immediately? Or if you don't do it shortly after your lines come out in the middle of the month prior, does the trip not go away until a week or so prior? And, why the big online form each month?

Anyway, your trip gets dropped, you do your mil just the same in the end - but SWA is not the easy mil leave place they profess it to be.

One trip drop company policy is straight from the mouth of one of your chiefs - SWA is your primary job and that is what flight ops thinks is "fair". Congrats on not getting the call.
 
Benjamin Dover said:
I think you are misinformed if you don't think the CP's deal with the mil drop. Ask your chief sometime to see if the secretary just forwards the form to scheduling and the trip goes away or if every trip drop goes thru a chief or asst. chief before it gets to scheds. That is the first difference.

Also, when does your trip go away so you can plan your life? Immediately? Or if you don't do it shortly after your lines come out in the middle of the month prior, does the trip not go away until a week or so prior? And, why the big online form each month?

Anyway, your trip gets dropped, you do your mil just the same in the end - but SWA is not the easy mil leave place they profess it to be.

One trip drop company policy is straight from the mouth of one of your chiefs - SWA is your primary job and that is what flight ops thinks is "fair". Congrats on not getting the call.
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Your info is outdated. There is a retired captain in DAL that deals with all mil drop now. Don't know his name because I've never had to talk to him. I've been here for four years and have never had an issue, but as I mentioned before I know that some CP's were leaning on the new guys not to drop too much.

We have twenty some CP's and ACP's. Some are more mil friendly than others, so the company went to a central contact point to eliminate any inconsistency.
 
Anyone got any info on the average times for those without types? Currently sitting at 6000TT with 2600 PIC. Wondering if I am getting close?? Thanks.
 
good thing for the profession that no civilian raised guys scam the system .... sick leave, etc. (tic)
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What? Military guys don't call in sick?

Civilians can't fly on the side (for the most part) dat was the point. We can't use the federal government and/or laws to fly on the side. Civilains dont have laws to help us double dip. Just the facts baby... So a Mil guy can have trips pulled for duty and call in sick. Us Civilians, just get to call in sick.
 
SWA/FO said:
What? Military guys don't call in sick?

Civilians can't fly on the side (for the most part) dat was the point. We can't use the federal government and/or laws to fly on the side. Civilains dont have laws to help us double dip. Just the facts baby... So a Mil guy can have trips pulled for duty and call in sick. Us Civilians, just get to call in sick.
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Dude...go spend 7 months in the desert and then you can talk. Do you think we like to jerk our schedule around. Most of the time it is not flying for fun. I don't like to spend 3-4 hours planning a fake mission to go fly for an hour and then do touch and go's. All for a few bucks. It is so we can help support the country in strange times like the one that wrecked the lives of millions a few years back....do you you remember that time. I bet you probably would have gone over there then if you could....but reading your posts many times, I highly doubt you would. Why can't you just support people and keep quiet.
 
RedDogC130 said:
Why can't you just support people and keep quiet.
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This is why we fought England, and won. And every military guy/gal out there is fighting for SWA/FO to have the freedom to express his opinion, if you are not you are part of the problem.
 
Its a volunteer service.

Guys are still in to achieve their retirement benefits, complete their 20 years. Why else have two jobs? Cus, your going to get something in the end. Reward, payback etc...

Why can't you just support people and keep quiet.
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Why can't you just do your job and stop pounding your chest you signed up for it. I didn't make uncle sam pick you.
 
SWA/FO said:
Its a volunteer service.

Why can't you just do your job and stop pounding your chest you signed up for it. I didn't make uncle sam pick you.
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i'm a civilian flying for a major airline. please...reservists and active duty...POUND YOUR CHESTS WITH FERVOR! SWA/FO and the like will never get it. and that's a shame.
 
RedDogC130 said:
Fair enough. I just think he/she has an issue with military pilots either getting the job at SWA or one's that are still flying in the Reserve/Guard.
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RedDog,

I 100% agree with you. SWA/FO is just one of those dude/dudettes that will always believe that the only reason we are in the guard/reserve is for the part time $ and retirement, and nothing we say will change their minds. Their simple claim is that if we were that patriotic then why did we leave active duty? The answer of years of non-flying staff/ship's company/FAC jobs, etc. in the last 10 years of a 20-year career fall on deaf ears. The potential risk of being less competitive for a post-retirement flying job after driving a desk for many years is also ignored. Our peers like SWA/FO simply believe that we scam.

Granted, there a certainly those handful of scammers that give us all a bad name, but to paint everyone with the same brush is just wrong. Unfortunately, it seems like there are those like SWA/FO that wind up in positions of leadership within flight ops of our airlines. Sounds like your OAK CP's might be an example.

On a related note, I read a few months ago about a national guardsman/Southwest ramp agent from MCI who was killed in combat in the desert. He was a pretty senior NCO who could have retired years ago, but he continued to serve for personal and patriotic reasons. I wonder if his fellow rampers felt like SWA/FO and resented his "working his plan" over the years as he had to drop shifts and work his ramp schedule around his military service? Did they also think he was just "double-dipping" for the money and using USERRA to his advantage? My guess is no, that they were proud of him, his service and his sacrifice and they were saddened by his loss in the line of duty.

Thankfully, I do believe that people like SWA/FO are in the minority. Hopefully you won't have to fly with him/her when the name changes to SWA/CA ;)

Back to the original reason for my response here to the 2006 hiring stats at SWA. I was just wondering out loud if there is more to the story, i.e. employers are shying away from hiring guard/reserve applicants due to potential future military leave conflict. This has been documented with some companies ("just the facts.."), could this be the case with pilot hiring? Illegal but hard to prove as long as everyone goes through the same interview process. The hiring committee does not have to say why.

Just my two cents. Thanks for your service RedDog and my comments are not meant to bash Southwest, just wondering if there is a change in hiring philosophy going on in the industry due to the military's extensive use of guard/reserve in the past few years.

Ben
 
Unfortunately, it seems like there are those like SWA/FO that wind up in positions of leadership within flight ops of our airlines.
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I don't see that happening....

You guys talk like the SWA/FO is Jane Fonda or something! He knows that not all Mil guys are scamers. Just like some union guys actually do it for the good of the union. :)
 
:puke: SWA/FO, your comments make me both sick and sad. Why don't you just shut up if you don't have anything good to say? I know, I know you are just trying to stir the pot but the last thing we need is another Mil/Civ feud.
 

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