SunCountry

[redflyer65]

Hey General,

I'd much rather keep flying to Inter-Texas cities than see all those "Delta Connection" planes pushing when you get back to ATL. How many mainline jobs were lost with that wise thinking? Anymore scope relief in the future?

Lubbock's not bad when your flying mainline. We get the same rate whether its LAX or LBB. You, not so much.

 

[StaySeated]

Yes, actually, I have asked more than one SWAPA rep who were DIRECTLY involved. FAPA gave SWAPA the cold shoulder on Thursday. That afternoon the judges ruling became law.

Why are we talking about this again?

Gup

Seriously?

The Judge was waiting on labor? You really know better than that, don't you?

Directly involved? There was no cold shoulder. Period.

Take a few moments and search "qualified bid". After you learn that the SWA (company) bid was suspect well before "wednesday", ask TW or any other MA rep whom they called. Then ask Carl if he called anyone, and if so, when. The answer, if honest, would shock you.

Sorry, the facts of the matter don't support your argument. Additionally, the facts of the matter, don't matter. Its over.

 

[General Lee]

Hey General,

I'd much rather keep flying to Inter-Texas cities than see all those "Delta Connection" planes pushing when you get back to ATL. How many mainline jobs were lost with that wise thinking? Anymore scope relief in the future?

Lubbock's not bad when your flying mainline. We get the same rate whether its LAX or LBB. You, not so much.

Do you mean the 100 or so 50 seaters that have been parked already, or the 100 more Richard Anderson stated he would park in the next 2-3 years? We, along with management, see the problem here. It is being addressed. When we left those cities long ago, we actually added other cities around the World--and have now grown to the largest airline in the World. You can think small and enjoy Intra Texas (hey everyone in Texas thinks it's a country anyway---they are all Texicans), or you can think bigger maybe and get SunCountry's certificate and go somewhere other than the lower 48. If you do though, show some respect and quit being so cocky, that is all I am asking. And, we are paid differently when we fly INTL routes vs domestic,(INTL override and higher perdiem) and the food is a lot better. You, not so much. Enjoy those LBB layovers pal.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

General,

How many RJ's does Delta have flying for it TODAY? How about Northwest? All of them - not just "owned."

Gup

 

[RedDogC130]

General....you have been a great resource in the past.... now that holloween is over.....please go away...you have nothing in this fight but to try and make it seem that you are better than us...guess what most of us have been overseas....and from me personally.....I would rather stay here.....with your int'l over-ride...our senior CAPT still makes more and deals with less b.s in LBB.....please stay out of this thread when it has nothing to do with the new Northwest. thanks.

 

[shagadelic]

Seriously General.

I make over 40 bucks an hour more than your topped out 737 Captain. Why don't you spend your energy doing something about that, instead of you guys continually dragging down the industry. imp:

 

[jetflier]

Your hourly wage went up, on all aircraft. Yes, reserve guarantee went down, but if you are a line holder you are doing better. Most of you kept your pension, while all of us lost ours. And, your management now runs this airline. You can't point the finger at them.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yep General, hourly rate went up!
Still flying 85-88hrs permonth,...however, our old contract paid overtime above 80 hours at time and a half. Delta just doesn't cut it there.

And you are correct. I kept my pension. A 1995 hire at NWA I have a whopping $3200.00 per monthly when I turn 65. I believe that I would fare better with the PBGC settlement that Delta gave you, considering that our pension is a fixed payment with no cost of living increases.
Didn't Delta also payout about 150,000 per pilot to settle the pension issue?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Too F'ing many, but 1 is too many.

General,

How many RJ's does Delta have flying for it TODAY? How about Northwest? All of them - not just "owned."

Gup

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Shag,

You are today. But keep in mind that from conception the swa business plan relied on a hefty discount in the form of labor, especially pilots. Y'all are at the top now by default and for all of us I hope y'all can keep it and maybe everyone can get back to pattern bargaining UPWARD vs. the downward bargaining since 2001.

Seriously General.

I make over 40 bucks an hour more than your topped out 737 Captain. Why don't you spend your energy doing something about that, instead of you guys continually dragging down the industry. imp:

 

[redflyer65]

Do you mean the 100 or so 50 seaters that have been parked already, or the 100 more Richard Anderson stated he would park in the next 2-3 years? We, along with management, see the problem here. It is being addressed. When we left those cities long ago, we actually added other cities around the World--and have now grown to the largest airline in the World. You can think small and enjoy Intra Texas (hey everyone in Texas thinks it's a country anyway---they are all Texicans), or you can think bigger maybe and get SunCountry's certificate and go somewhere other than the lower 48. If you do though, show some respect and quit being so cocky, that is all I am asking. And, we are paid differently when we fly INTL routes vs domestic,(INTL override and higher perdiem) and the food is a lot better. You, not so much. Enjoy those LBB layovers pal.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I love your spin General. You should run for Congress.

"You and the company both agree there are too many RJ's." Now that's funny right there!

Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you sleep better.

I think the COMPANY thinks there are too many 50 seaters but would like to replace them with 70+ seaters.

Enjoy your RJ's..

 

[General Lee]

I love your spin General. You should run for Congress.

"You and the company both agree there are too many RJ's." Now that's funny right there!

Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you sleep better.

I think the COMPANY thinks there are too many 50 seaters but would like to replace them with 70+ seaters.

Enjoy your RJ's..

You asked if we were addressing the RJ problem, and I said we were. You can't just park them all overnight (although I would like to--50 seaters that is---we may need some of the 76 seaters on certain routes). We can ALL see now that the 50 seaters are inefficient, even our top brass (RA was quoted in the last conference call stating he was going to get rid of 100 more in 2-3 years, including all of the props) You said we were paid the same flying INTL and DOM, which I stated was incorrect. There is a difference, in both hourly pay and perdiem. What else can I state? I debunked a lot of what you said was true. Also, I added that even our food is better on our INTL flights. The stews usually come up with a menu before we push (and it sometimes has pictures of the entres)---and ask for our choices. It is pretty nice. Would I trade that for some higher pay? Well, we will be working on that issue as soon as we can--initial contract talks start next year. In the meantime, the hot fudge sundaes are really good.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Seriously General.

I make over 40 bucks an hour more than your topped out 737 Captain. Why don't you spend your energy doing something about that, instead of you guys continually dragging down the industry. imp:

Your rate is thanks to us. You can try to say otherwise, but it is true. Your current rate will help us during our next negotiations, and when that is over let's take a look at this again. I love your "you guys CONTINUALLY dragging down the industry" comment. We raised the bar for everyone, and you know that. I hope you NEVER have to go through a corporate CHAP 11 proceeding. Oh yeah, that was OUR fault too........



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yep General, hourly rate went up!
Still flying 85-88hrs permonth,...however, our old contract paid overtime above 80 hours at time and a half. Delta just doesn't cut it there.

And you are correct. I kept my pension. A 1995 hire at NWA I have a whopping $3200.00 per monthly when I turn 65. I believe that I would fare better with the PBGC settlement that Delta gave you, considering that our pension is a fixed payment with no cost of living increases.
Didn't Delta also payout about 150,000 per pilot to settle the pension issue?

Remember who is in charge now. Your manangement. And, we did get some pay, a smaller amount to settle the pension issue and some money for BK concessions, but they were all taxed at 40% or more. Will your future pension be taxed that high? Anytime you get anything in a lump payout, it is taxed heavily. That makes a large difference. Also, let's hope we get some of the things you had (time and a half after 80 hours) in our next contract. I for one am happy that we have some of your cobras on our side this time, it hopefully will shore up our negotiation strategy with LM incharge.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General,

How many RJ's does Delta have flying for it TODAY? How about Northwest? All of them - not just "owned."

Gup

Cobraair is correct, way too many. It is even worse now that we merged with NWA, but it could have been the same had you merged with F9---you would have suddenly had some smaller planes and a lower payscale to deal with. It is something you would have adapted to, but nevertheless it would have meant a new thing to deal with. I don't know the exact number, but it is being reduced on the 50 side. I don't mind RJs to certain cities that cannot sustain a mainline jet, but when they fly against LCCs, it is a losing battle. We still need feed from smaller communities (that is our model, yours is different), and again some RJs are inevitable for us, but saturation at the hubs is too much, and RA knows it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[djf]

This thread has taken quite a swing away from SunCountry, and become an absurd discussion of DAL's RJ operation. I have never posted before, but I have to ask, What do we care? Obviously, the DAL pilots like it, because they let the RJ's in!!!
The "General", is obviously TEXAPHOBIC, and one can only wonder, what awful things happened to this poor guy in LBB, that he just cannot drop!!!! It's great that one Int'l leg per day as a F.O. is what he wants vs. a Domestic Capt. flying multiple legs per day. To each his own. We've heard it-- move on-- or get some help with your little man complex! So, is there any pertinent info. out there regarding SunCountry? Or, is time to let this and the recurring Frontier B.S go? Just had to ask. Fly Safe!

 

[Peardc10]

Sun Country

We also heard that SWA might buy SCA. These rumors have been flying around for years. I've been at SCA for over 18 years, and am hopeful that we can find a honest and financially strong buyer for our airline.
Did I say honest and financially strong???
Although we are only 8-10 aircraft fleet, we are poised to make a profit for 2009. We should have our ETOPS proving runs completed before Thanksgiving. I hope we can make some serious cash with the ETOPS certificate.
Sun Country makes most of their money being a niche carrier, and thats OK. We have been around for over 25 years!!! I've heard from my fellow pilots over the years that we will never make it and will go under. Well, were still around. Who knows what will happen, but if a carrier like SWA bought Sun Country...WHY? It seems reading most of the previous posts, we the pilots would not make out that well.

Crossing my fingers....

 

[djf]

We also heard that SWA might buy SCA. These rumors have been flying around for years. I've been at SCA for over 18 years, and am hopeful that we can find a honest and financially strong buyer for our airline.
Did I say honest and financially strong???
Although we are only 8-10 aircraft fleet, we are poised to make a profit for 2009. We should have our ETOPS proving runs completed before Thanksgiving. I hope we can make some serious cash with the ETOPS certificate.
Sun Country makes most of their money being a niche carrier, and thats OK. We have been around for over 25 years!!! I've heard from my fellow pilots over the years that we will never make it and will go under. Well, were still around. Who knows what will happen, but if a carrier like SWA bought Sun Country...WHY? It seems reading most of the previous posts, we the pilots would not make out that well.

Crossing my fingers....

I for one, see a lot of value for WN with SunCountry. An immediate impact at MSP. Lots and lots of people, sick of NWA and being price gouged. Combine the Humphrey Terminal, SCA Pax, ETOPS 800's, with WN's under utilized fleet, there could be an instant growth of the Airline through Mexico the Caribbean, as well as other destinations. To me it could be a win win situation. The possible end of stagnation, at WN, and long term job security for a great group at SCA. The process doesn't have to be ugly, but can benefit all, if handled right. I hope it works out for ALL involved. If done right, there might not be a need for Volaris at all. Avoid the 1% of the groups that post just to tick someone else off, and realize the need for this sort of combination to benefit all, the process will work with cool heads in the end. Just my opinion! Fly Safe

 

[General Lee]

We also heard that SWA might buy SCA. These rumors have been flying around for years. I've been at SCA for over 18 years, and am hopeful that we can find a honest and financially strong buyer for our airline.
Did I say honest and financially strong???
Although we are only 8-10 aircraft fleet, we are poised to make a profit for 2009. We should have our ETOPS proving runs completed before Thanksgiving. I hope we can make some serious cash with the ETOPS certificate.
Sun Country makes most of their money being a niche carrier, and thats OK. We have been around for over 25 years!!! I've heard from my fellow pilots over the years that we will never make it and will go under. Well, were still around. Who knows what will happen, but if a carrier like SWA bought Sun Country...WHY? It seems reading most of the previous posts, we the pilots would not make out that well.

Crossing my fingers....

Are you crossing your fingers to hit the unemployment line? That is what most of the SWA pilots would do to you if they had the chance. It is cuthroat, and they "take no prisoners....." Watch what you wish for----they only want the planes, gates, and certificates.(ETOPS) They will welcome you with open arms, and then throw you out the door if it gives them an extra dollar each year. Just read the threads about their attempted F9 takeover. Fun times.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

This thread has taken quite a swing away from SunCountry, and become an absurd discussion of DAL's RJ operation. I have never posted before, but I have to ask, What do we care? Obviously, the DAL pilots like it, because they let the RJ's in!!!
The "General", is obviously TEXAPHOBIC, and one can only wonder, what awful things happened to this poor guy in LBB, that he just cannot drop!!!! It's great that one Int'l leg per day as a F.O. is what he wants vs. a Domestic Capt. flying multiple legs per day. To each his own. We've heard it-- move on-- or get some help with your little man complex! So, is there any pertinent info. out there regarding SunCountry? Or, is time to let this and the recurring Frontier B.S go? Just had to ask. Fly Safe!

What you say WOULD make sense if EVERYONE at SWA thought that way. But, according to this board, they do NOT. You guys are cocky and want it all, and couldn't give a rat's azz about other pilots. Sad but true, and every other pilot on this board knows it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Are you crossing your fingers to hit the unemployment line? That is what most of the SWA pilots would do to you if they had the chance. It is cuthroat, and they "take no prisoners....." Watch what you wish for----they only want the planes, gates, and certificates.(ETOPS) They will welcome you with open arms, and then throw you out the door if it gives them an extra dollar each year. Just read the threads about their attempted F9 takeover. Fun times.


Bye Bye--General Lee

For 13,000 post General, you really are clueless. No Back to your RJ's!