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I just heard SunCountry has an offer (buyout). Anyone else heard this?
 

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Well, let's see, it's either SWA or Republic or TPG. I'm going with SWA. I heard this rumor, but didn't think much of it at the time. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
 

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I heard its from a company based at Love Field Dallas that wants an immediate Mexico and Carribean footprint. Not sure who it is though. Lots of LUV....
 

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I've been the same rumor of that little airline in Texas.

Immediate international. ETOPS. I like it.

But.......... I'll believe it when I see in on the ramp or in the bank.

Gup
 

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I think in one day wn will be buying air tran, Alaska and sun country. Then republic will default on frontier and get that too. I've flown with guys who've been absolutely convinced each is right around the corner
 

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I know Allegiant would like to get its hands on an ETOPS certificate.
 

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Hopefully you treat those guys with respect this time, and don't just demand a staple. I don't think DOH would ever apply here, but a full staple is ridiculous. But, I wouldn't doubt your union will demand it, and expect everyone to bend over for you.

And, this would obviously be a swipe also at DL (NWA) in MSP, which isn't really a bad thing for us. If it meant adding more mainline planes back to MSP (to cover for CRJs or CR9s now) to compete, then it is not a bad thing at all.

And one more thing, if this means the Sun Country guys FINALLY get to go to LBB, then I bet they would be jumping up and down. Heck, maybe a staple would be worth it then........


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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A smaller pilot group would be easier for the Borg to steamroll.
 

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I've been the same rumor of that little airline in Texas.

Immediate international. ETOPS. I like it.

But.......... I'll believe it when I see in on the ramp or in the bank.

Gup

Hopefully that international scope works out...
 

Hose A. Jiminez

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Hopefully you treat those guys with respect this time, and don't just demand a staple. I don't think DOH would ever apply here, but a full staple is ridiculous. But, I wouldn't doubt your union will demand it, and expect everyone to bend over for you.

And, this would obviously be a swipe also at DL (NWA) in MSP, which isn't really a bad thing for us. If it meant adding more mainline planes back to MSP (to cover for CRJs or CR9s now) to compete, then it is not a bad thing at all.

And one more thing, if this means the Sun Country guys FINALLY get to go to LBB, then I bet they would be jumping up and down. Heck, maybe a staple would be worth it then........


Bye Bye--General Lee
If im not mistaken, Sun Country is non union. Integration would be a non-event.

In your mind General, was the SWAPA staple any less reasonable than the relative seniority plus 36k per year indefinitely for every guy on furlough that FAPA wanted? Would that have been a fair deal if DAL were buying them?

The two sides were not given enough time to work this out. We might have been able to come to a compromise had Stemmler and the other FAPA guys shown up for the final day of negotiations. They did not, and did not return calls. Did you know that?
 

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You won't get an answer HJ.

Prepare for the spin in 3, 2, 1 ...
 

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I do not think SWA was serious about the F9 offer, but rather just wanted a look at the books and/or to jack the price up for RAH which they did. The offer was based on a labor contingency to ensure that there was no obligation. No rational person could think a SLI was possible in the given timeframe...especially after the talk in the initial announcement about interviewing F9 personnel for employment consideration. While I do not think it was a good move for the F9 leadership to do what they did, I dont think it mattered in the end.
 

Hose A. Jiminez

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I do not think SWA was serious about the F9 offer, but rather just wanted a look at the books and/or to jack the price up for RAH which they did. The offer was based on a labor contingency to ensure that there was no obligation. No rational person could think a SLI was possible in the given timeframe...especially after the talk in the initial announcement about interviewing F9 personnel for employment consideration. While I do not think it was a good move for the F9 leadership to do what they did, I dont think it mattered in the end.
I think youre atleast partially right. I think we were interested in a deal if a good one could be reached (having nothing to do with the pilot groups). Absent that we would be able to do all of the things you are talking about.

Im more than a little ashamed to have been lured in by the General and to have brought up this tired subject once again. All the same, Im interested in hearing his answers to my post.
 

Fubijaakr

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Personally, I think Alaska should grab Sun Country for no other reason than to preempt other airlines.
 

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If im not mistaken, Sun Country is non union. Integration would be a non-event.

In your mind General, was the SWAPA staple any less reasonable than the relative seniority plus 36k per year indefinitely for every guy on furlough that FAPA wanted? Would that have been a fair deal if DAL were buying them?

The two sides were not given enough time to work this out. We might have been able to come to a compromise had Stemmler and the other FAPA guys shown up for the final day of negotiations. They did not, and did not return calls. Did you know that?
I am not familiar with your FAPA reference. Here is what happened with our DL/NWA negotiations:

3 neutral arbitrators came up with the final seniority number at DL. The NWA guys got a pay raise and kept their pensions. Nothing I just stated was made up, those are the facts. We all made our initial pitches to the arbitrators, but we NEVER said anything about a staple. We knew that was ridiculous. SunCountry has larger planes than Southwest does, but obviously fewer of them and not as good of a contract. Regardless, SunCountry should be treated with respect, and not made to bend over to your cocky wishes.

Redflyer,

You are looking for any opportunity to screw people, and you can't take it that people would actually have the audacity to think that they don't want to have what you have, or do what you do. Not everyone wants the potential to fly 5 or 6 legs a day, even at your payrate. 20 years of that would send a lot of people to an early grave. Enjoy your next day of flying: DAL-LBB-ABQ-PHX-LAS-RNO-SJC. No thanks.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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How does sun country serve all those destinations with 8 airplanes?
 
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