SunCountry

[General Lee]

well since APC is stating the 12 year Capt is topped out at $127 an hour I guess they will have an interesting argument trying to justify a jump to SWA Capt pay. Career expectations, pay, QOL...the fact that the company filed for CH 11 in October should be a good one.

You sound pretty sure of yourself. I am sure an arbitrator would agree with you----a straight staple----you betcha. Try it then with a group of 3 neutrals and see what happens.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So if Delta decided to buy Sun Country, would you be okay with some SC pilots coming in senior to you, General?

For everyone else, I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but I really am curious about his answer.

I could easily hold Captain on some of the planes we fly, so I doubt it would get that far. I have a feeling no arbitrator would allow a straight staple. They would see some reason to speckle them around the lower half of the seniority list. They actually fly planes larger than yours, and they would be contributing to your bottomline(Via an ETOPS certificate---am I right here? You betcha!). You just can't staple them to the bottom, you can't, unless you are really cocky.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[bravodude]

You sound pretty sure of yourself. I am sure an arbitrator would agree with you----a straight staple----you betcha. Try it then with a group of 3 neutrals and see what happens.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well lets see what about AA and TWA or AA and Reno Air. I guess you think the same of the AA pilots union that you do of SWAPA.

 

[General Lee]

Well lets see what about AA and TWA or AA and Reno Air. I guess you think the same of the AA pilots union that you do of SWAPA.

Was TWA a pure staple? Nope. There are actual TWA (now AA) Captains in STL flying 757s in the left seat that are junior to AA guys in DFW, but are still Captains according to the agreement they had. Would SWAPA do the same? Doubt it. How did the Reno Air pilots do overall? I think most are still flying now. And, of course, thanks to the Bond Agreement you can't really just staple one group to the other----and no arbitrator would do that now. Can you understand why SWA said "NO ARBITRATION" when they tried to negotiate with F9? Everyone else can---they are scared to. Give them some respect and give them something fair, and it will all turn out fine, and they may not hate you when you fly with them. (Redflyer doesn't care anyway...)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[RedDogC130]

As for the article....yeah I did not notice the 2008...thanks for pointing that out. Maybe they are in a better place $$ wise than I thought....

 

[Whine Lover]

This thread is just classic FI.

"Sun Country is non-union", "they filed for bankruptcy on Monday"...blah, blah,blah. You guys are right on top of things as usual.

Also as usual, the smattering of illiterates chime in, and then there is the all too predictable, incessant, blathering of The General... pontificating on everything and anything as the thread drifts all over the place.

Classic!

Keep up the good work Men. We're all counting on you.


YKMKR

 

[ASADFW7]

General thanks for all your great input into this argument. SWAPA can try to do whatever they want, whether it is practical or not will decided in negotiations or arbitration. There is a correction from yesterday to today on what is ethical and feasible.

Personally if we bought Sun Country I say rope them off give them the same number of planes and sit there stagnant till they want to be integrated on our terms. But I only have one vote. If that is a little harsh, it is just business, and personally none of SWAPA's business is any of yours, we are not ALPA.

 

[General Lee]

General thanks for all your great input into this argument. SWAPA can try to do whatever they want, whether it is practical or not will decided in negotiations or arbitration. There is a correction from yesterday to today on what is ethical and feasible.

Personally if we bought Sun Country I say rope them off give them the same number of planes and sit there stagnant till they want to be integrated on our terms. But I only have one vote. If that is a little harsh, it is just business, and personally none of SWAPA's business is any of yours, we are not ALPA.

Great response, since it shows your true colors. Keep it up, everyone is impressed. This is a rumor board and an information board, and I can give any opinion I want. If it was my intention on "swaying" SWAPA one way or the other, I would have tried dressing up like the cowgirl who won "Miss Bullriding Teen Lubbock" and shouted "SUUUUUUUU-WHEEEEEE". That would have totally gotten SWAPA's attention, thus averting another terrribly disrespectful takeover attempt.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[StopNTSing]

I could easily hold Captain on some of the planes we fly, so I doubt it would get that far. I have a feeling no arbitrator would allow a straight staple. They would see some reason to speckle them around the lower half of the seniority list. They actually fly planes larger than yours, and they would be contributing to your bottomline(Via an ETOPS certificate---am I right here? You betcha!). You just can't staple them to the bottom, you can't, unless you are really cocky.


Bye Bye---General Lee

So in other words, you'd have no problem with merged lists, as long as the SC guys were all merged in junior to you? Yeah, that's what I thought...

 

[Kharma Police]

General thanks for all your great input into this argument. SWAPA can try to do whatever they want, whether it is practical or not will decided in negotiations or arbitration. There is a correction from yesterday to today on what is ethical and feasible.

Personally if we bought Sun Country I say rope them off give them the same number of planes and sit there stagnant till they want to be integrated on our terms. But I only have one vote. If that is a little harsh, it is just business, and personally none of SWAPA's business is any of yours, we are not ALPA.

Looks like the Jim Jones Kool-Aid drinking People's Temple followers are alive and well in Texas. I will say at least you guys are consistent at being a-holes.

 

[StopNTSing]

Looks like the Jim Jones Kool-Aid drinking People's Temple followers are alive and well in Texas. I will say at least you guys are consistent at being a-holes.

For someone with 'Kharma' in their screen name, you sure do talk a lot of smack.

 

[ASADFW7]

Yes it is true I am an a--hole, no apologies for business, this is a job, not a community group.

 

[crj567]

Yes it is true I am an a--hole, no apologies for business, this is a job, not a community group.

Yep-The brotherhood of all pilots strikes again.....

Mgmt. is growing a huge woody as we speak.

 

[Kharma Police]

For someone with 'Kharma' in their screen name, you sure do talk a lot of smack.

You should re-read some posts from your Kool-Aid drinking brethren about other airlines. A consistent level of douchiness is always conveyed. Sorry sport, I call 'em like I see 'em

 

[General Lee]

So in other words, you'd have no problem with merged lists, as long as the SC guys were all merged in junior to you? Yeah, that's what I thought...

You asked me what I thought would happen, and I stated I doubted they would merge them in DOH, and thought it would be lower than 50%. Get your panties out of a wad, you are a Captain and probably wouldn't be affected. It all comes down to showing SOME respect, and sounds like AGAIN some of you lack it.

Bye Bye--General Lee