Sudent been flying ILLEGALLY - Help!!!

[ShawnC]

Re: 90 days

A student pilot certificate, as you now know, is only valid for 90 days. I see no problem with this rule as student pilots should be working closely with a CFI and having the student get a signoff every 90 days is supposed to accomplish this...that's the idea behind the rule, I think.

I wouldn't take this to a DE or the FAA. If you fly beyond the 90 day limit then you violated an FAR. Find another CFI who will fly with you and get you a new sign off, then you will be legal to continue flying. It would take a pretty sharp DE to bother going through your endorsments to the point of seeing that your student pilot license had expired and then you continued flying. Even if he caught it, you are legal at the moment and would probably not make a big deal out of it. Don't ever tell the FAA.....

Umm a student pilot certificate isn't valid for 90 days, solo is I believe (don't have the FARs with me). A student pilot cert is valid for 24 calander months (plus the what is left of the month is was issued on).

Get a new one from the FSDO, if a DE notices that you were flying with an expired cert (unlikely) explain that both you and your instructor didn't notice it. When you did you stopped flying solo and promptly went to the FSDO for a new certificate.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: Re: 90 days

Umm a student pilot certificate isn't valid for 90 days, solo is I believe (don't have the FARs with me). A student pilot cert is valid for 24 calander months (plus the what is left of the month is was issued on).

Essentially correct. The differences between certificate and logbook endorsements can get confusing.

A student pilot certificate expires 24 calendar months after it is issued.

The solo endorsement that appears on the certificate doesn't have an expiration date. Neither does the solo cross country endorsement that appears on the certificate.

The solo endorsement that is made in the logbook is good for 90 days. The endorsement for each solo cross country flight that is made in the logbook is good only for the flight it refers to.

 

[Pilotadjuster]

DE

Good advise all; most De's will be more interested in your flying, decision making and knowledge than your paperwork. then again....I had a DE on my private who wanted to invalidate a bunch of my solo time. long story short, started training in a PA28-181, switched flight schools after first went belly up, started again in PA28-161, got second solo endorse in second a/c (first had expired), but flew some solo time in their -181 as well (actually had more hours in the -181 and ended up passing the checkride in that one).

After he sent me off with my paperwork from my first checkride without even starting the oral, a trip to the FSDO straightened it out and the DE. Passed private in two hours including the oral (no, I won't send anybody to him and didn't go back to him for the three subsequent checkrides I've taken!).

If the DE thinks it is a problem, just go to the FSDO, confess your sins (and more your CFIs...) and beg forgiveness - I agree with Cessna Driver. An Army CPT told me that years ago and it has come in handy many times...

 

[bin LAAidoff]

Okam's Razor, and Ollie North...

Go to the doctor, get a new medical and student pilot certificate. The new certificate does not indicate date of previous certificate, so somebody would have to be looking for a discrepency.

If anybody even bothers to ask about the old one, "I lost it", or "it expired", "my dog ate it", "I was on my long cross country and had to take a ____"

I doubt anybody will be looking for a conspiracy, and start asking about dates etc. If they do, "I dont know, I can find that out for you", or in the words of Oliver North and others "I dont Recall".

It's good you are trying to be conscientious, but you (and more likely your instructor) are better off learning from the mistake (especially your instructor), keeping it under your hat, and moving on.

"I lost it" also works with medicals, written lied about (like FE written) etc.

We all have good days and bad days. Have a good day for checkride....

 

[Lindy]

Midlifeflyer: Surprised that you actually knew the rules with respect to the endorsements required for solo flight by a Student Pilot and solo cross-country flights.

After your initial statement: "Question: Didn't your CFI check your certificate any of the last 6 times she endorsed your logbook?" I presumed that you were an ignoramus.

Why would you even state a gender? Your (inital) response would have had credibility if you deleted the gender issue.

 

[flyboy]

I find it really hard to believe that an instructor would ever say that a student cert. would not expire. That's so basic. Whatever......good luck.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Midlifeflyer: Surprised that you actually knew the rules with respect to the endorsements required for solo flight by a Student Pilot and solo cross-country flights
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Why would you even state a gender? Your (invital) response would have had credibility if you deleted the gender issue. [/B]

WOW! Fascinating assumption that my use of "she" in a post meant that I was saying that any CFI who missed checking the validity of it's (I'm being careful now!) student had tp be a woman. That's a very, very interesting chip on your shoulder.

You mean you've never used a third-party personal pronoun in a post?

I'm new to this forum but not to online aviation discussion in general. If you search for the posts I have made throughout the years, you'll find that instead of always using "he" as a generic third party pronoun or using tortured phrases like "s/he" or "he or she", about 2-3 years ago I began mixing the gender of my generic pronouns.

Are you always like this?

 

[Lindy]

First, I do not have a "chip on my shoulder." I thought that it was a very interesting pronoun choice, implications being that only a female flight instructor could make such an egregious error.


Second, I am a strong believer that gender shouldn't be an issue in any forum.


I believed that your response was meant to be a derogatory statement. Since you are stating that it was not, I apology if I offended you in anyway.

 

[100LL... Again!]

The statement above that the CFI is always held liable for student infractions, etc. is untrue.

The FAA considers students to be certificate hoders and responsible for all knowledge required under part 61 for their certificate.

If the student can PROVE that the CFI did not cover the required material, then maybe. If the student inadveertantly violates a reg, they can have enforcement brought against them.

 

[starvingcfi]

just like a woman. always pointing fingers. kidding...or am i?

 

[mckpickle]

First, I do not have a "chip on my shoulder." I thought that it was a very interesting pronoun choice, implications being that only a female flight instructor could make such an egregious error.


Second, I am a strong believer that gender shouldn't be an issue in any forum.


I believed that your response was meant to be a derogatory statement. Since you are stating that it was not, I apology if I offended you in anyway.

OH freakin relax for christ sake

 

[dmspilot00]

Having had two woman flight instructors, I found the usage of the "she" pronoun interesting as well. It didn't seem to me that he meant that only a woman would make such a mistake. I figured that probably midlifeflyer has had a woman CFI before and that is why he used she, or just happened to choose "she" coincidentally.

Whenever I use pronouns in writing I almost always say "he or she," "him or her," or whatever. But it does get tedious.

This topic came up at an interesting time because my friend and I were talking about this today. He told me someone is trying to come up with a gender-neutral pronoun (but now that I think about it, don't we already have one--"it"?). Anyway, "politically correct" essays, articles, books, and etc., will usually not say "he or she" but will use he in one scenario, she in another scenario, and go back and forth; just like midlifeflyer did.

FurloughedGal did apologize for her conclusions so I think we should forgive her

 

[skyslug]

Furloughedgal, take it easy. I probably am politically incorrect when I refer to my flight attendants as initially "she" and my first officers as initially "he" BEFORE I meet them - because generally, odds are that 's what it's going to be! Nothing wrong with that. NO offending statements were made. NO derrogatory intentions were implied by using gender.

Plus, I'm a woman. Even when checking in with ATC or talking to dispatch or maintenance it is NEVER offensive when they initially say "sir". It's a habit (we all do it, admit it!). I have even been confused for the flight attendant, not a big deal. It's humorous!

Life's way too short to get wrapped up in the gender thing. You're a pilot.

 

[mckpickle]

Furloughedgal, take it easy. I probably am politically incorrect when I refer to my flight attendants as initially "she" and my first officers as initially "he" BEFORE I meet them - because generally, odds are that 's what it's going to be! Nothing wrong with that. NO offending statements were made. NO derrogatory intentions were implied by using gender.

Plus, I'm a woman. Even when checking in with ATC or talking to dispatch or maintenance it is NEVER offensive when they initially say "sir". It's a habit (we all do it, admit it!). I have even been confused for the flight attendant, not a big deal. It's humorous!

Life's way too short to get wrapped up in the gender thing. You're a pilot.

your pretty cool! honestly with only one or two exceptions I've found most women I've flown with have been like you. The ones who arent seem to earn a lot less respect because they are attempting to "demand" respect.

 

[starvingcfi]

.....such a cool girl. will you marry me?