Sudent been flying ILLEGALLY - Help!!!

[flyboy]

I find it really hard to believe that an instructor would ever say that a student cert. would not expire. That's so basic. Whatever......good luck.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Midlifeflyer: Surprised that you actually knew the rules with respect to the endorsements required for solo flight by a Student Pilot and solo cross-country flights
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Why would you even state a gender? Your (invital) response would have had credibility if you deleted the gender issue. [/B]

WOW! Fascinating assumption that my use of "she" in a post meant that I was saying that any CFI who missed checking the validity of it's (I'm being careful now!) student had tp be a woman. That's a very, very interesting chip on your shoulder.

You mean you've never used a third-party personal pronoun in a post?

I'm new to this forum but not to online aviation discussion in general. If you search for the posts I have made throughout the years, you'll find that instead of always using "he" as a generic third party pronoun or using tortured phrases like "s/he" or "he or she", about 2-3 years ago I began mixing the gender of my generic pronouns.

Are you always like this?

 

[Lindy]

First, I do not have a "chip on my shoulder." I thought that it was a very interesting pronoun choice, implications being that only a female flight instructor could make such an egregious error.


Second, I am a strong believer that gender shouldn't be an issue in any forum.


I believed that your response was meant to be a derogatory statement. Since you are stating that it was not, I apology if I offended you in anyway.

 

[100LL... Again!]

The statement above that the CFI is always held liable for student infractions, etc. is untrue.

The FAA considers students to be certificate hoders and responsible for all knowledge required under part 61 for their certificate.

If the student can PROVE that the CFI did not cover the required material, then maybe. If the student inadveertantly violates a reg, they can have enforcement brought against them.

 

[starvingcfi]

just like a woman. always pointing fingers. kidding...or am i?

 

[mckpickle]

First, I do not have a "chip on my shoulder." I thought that it was a very interesting pronoun choice, implications being that only a female flight instructor could make such an egregious error.


Second, I am a strong believer that gender shouldn't be an issue in any forum.


I believed that your response was meant to be a derogatory statement. Since you are stating that it was not, I apology if I offended you in anyway.

OH freakin relax for christ sake

 

[dmspilot00]

Having had two woman flight instructors, I found the usage of the "she" pronoun interesting as well. It didn't seem to me that he meant that only a woman would make such a mistake. I figured that probably midlifeflyer has had a woman CFI before and that is why he used she, or just happened to choose "she" coincidentally.

Whenever I use pronouns in writing I almost always say "he or she," "him or her," or whatever. But it does get tedious.

This topic came up at an interesting time because my friend and I were talking about this today. He told me someone is trying to come up with a gender-neutral pronoun (but now that I think about it, don't we already have one--"it"?). Anyway, "politically correct" essays, articles, books, and etc., will usually not say "he or she" but will use he in one scenario, she in another scenario, and go back and forth; just like midlifeflyer did.

FurloughedGal did apologize for her conclusions so I think we should forgive her

 

[skyslug]

Furloughedgal, take it easy. I probably am politically incorrect when I refer to my flight attendants as initially "she" and my first officers as initially "he" BEFORE I meet them - because generally, odds are that 's what it's going to be! Nothing wrong with that. NO offending statements were made. NO derrogatory intentions were implied by using gender.

Plus, I'm a woman. Even when checking in with ATC or talking to dispatch or maintenance it is NEVER offensive when they initially say "sir". It's a habit (we all do it, admit it!). I have even been confused for the flight attendant, not a big deal. It's humorous!

Life's way too short to get wrapped up in the gender thing. You're a pilot.

 

[mckpickle]

Furloughedgal, take it easy. I probably am politically incorrect when I refer to my flight attendants as initially "she" and my first officers as initially "he" BEFORE I meet them - because generally, odds are that 's what it's going to be! Nothing wrong with that. NO offending statements were made. NO derrogatory intentions were implied by using gender.

Plus, I'm a woman. Even when checking in with ATC or talking to dispatch or maintenance it is NEVER offensive when they initially say "sir". It's a habit (we all do it, admit it!). I have even been confused for the flight attendant, not a big deal. It's humorous!

Life's way too short to get wrapped up in the gender thing. You're a pilot.

your pretty cool! honestly with only one or two exceptions I've found most women I've flown with have been like you. The ones who arent seem to earn a lot less respect because they are attempting to "demand" respect.

 

[starvingcfi]

.....such a cool girl. will you marry me?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Originally posted by FurloughedGal (snipped)
First, I do not have a "chip on my shoulder." I thought that it was a very interesting pronoun choice, implications being that only a female flight instructor could make such an egregious error.

There was no implication. There was a completely unwarranted inference. The difference between the two is essentially an issue of responsibility. The speaker is responsible for an implication; the listener for an inference.

I believed that your response was meant to be a derogatory statement. Since you are stating that it was not, I apology if I offended you in anyway.

Question: Would you have made the same gender-biased assumption if I had used "he"?

No apology is necessary. I gave up being offended by people like you long ago.

Besides, your "apology" sounds a bit like a student I had once. After a ground session on aircraft power plants and magnetos, we took off to the practice area. Enroute, I asked him what would happen if the battery went dead, other than the loss of lights and avionics. He said "Nothing," a correct answer, but with a tone and a look that added, "I really don't believe that, even though you said so. I really believe that this airplane will fall out of the sky if we lost the battery."

 

[Lindy]

Skyslug:

You apparently did not read the entire post or are missing the "gist" of the thread. What I found (initially) offensive is the implication that only a female flight instructor could make an egregious mistake. The writer chose to use the pronoun "she" without evidence that the flight instructor was actually a woman.

I have been mistaken for a flight attendant more times than I can count. This does not offend me and has lead to great conversations with numerous gate agents. Why would I consider this non-offensive? There is no implication of incompetence. And, when the gate agents observe flight crews every day, there is a higher ratio of male pilots vs female pilots and female flight attendants vs male flight attendants.

With respect to being called "sir" by controllers -- many times -- but I don't care. I do try to avoid calling a controller sir/maam because there are times when I cannot decipher the gender of the voice. A "good morning", "good evening", or "happy Thursday" is what I prefer to utilize, all of which suffice.


Midlifeflyer:

I thought this was settled. With your analogous statement that you infered "a tone and a look" regarding my apology, you reached a conclusion that is incongruous.

Additionally, the entire point of this thread is to help a student/instructor avoid any further complications w/ the FAA. I was shocked to think that any instructor could make such a mistake. The reason for the initial response was the fact that there are more male pilots than female pilots (at the Commercial level it is approximately 7 male pilots to 1 female pilot). Your statement would have been consistent if you had utilized "he."

I did instruct for years and found that one of the most interesting things about instructing (after everthing that transpired in the aircraft) was the complete lack of understanding of paperwork/required endorsements by other instructors. The information available can be obtained by an Advisory Circular from the FAA (please don't ask for the number, it has been a while) or from a commercial source, i.e., Gleim CFI refresher course has a thorough overview.

Moreover, these regulations regarding Medicals and Endorsements have not changed in years. I do hope that the CFI who made this mistake has reviewed the regulations and learned from the mistake. Another highly desirous outcome would be a CFI trolling this board, one who had the potential of making the same mistake, read this thread and reviewed the applicable regulations.

Take care & Fly Safe