Student Pilot Violates Solo Endorsement

[aLear31pilot]

OOOHHH,, one more thing,
Don't let one of the students "friends" hang around, just so they can show them what they are learning. It's a sure fire way to give their "friends" a ride on a student ticket. Students buddy snuck out on the ramp when nobody was looking and hopped in.
We saw it happen, the instructor waited till they were done with the run up and got clearance for take off and he called the tower and made him come back in.
Kid looked like he just got caught robbin a bank. lol

 

[midlifeflyer]

what abou this scenario:

properly endorsed student goes on solo cross country. Decides not to get gas (as endorsed instructions specify) at one of the stops. Gets lost and starves fuel, crashes into a home and kills himself and the occupants.

Where does the CFI stand?

Any time a student gets into an accident or has an incident the FAA will naturally look at the training. And you can bet a lawyer retained by the survivors will also.

But you can't get a good answer to your question without a =lot= more detail since the inquiry and the degree of CFI responsibility will be very fact-intensive.

The good news is that there is very little NTSB and civil case law holding a CFI responsible for a soloing student's actions. I've been looking for them and asking people to give me them since about 1999 and I've only found 2 solid references covering the past 37 years.

 

[100LL... Again!]

OOOHHH,, one more thing,
Don't let one of the students "friends" hang around, just so they can show them what they are learning. It's a sure fire way to give their "friends" a ride on a student ticket. Students buddy snuck out on the ramp when nobody was looking and hopped in.
We saw it happen, the instructor waited till they were done with the run up and got clearance for take off and he called the tower and made him come back in.
Kid looked like he just got caught robbin a bank. lol

What happened then? Hope ya lowered the boom on him.

 

[aLear31pilot]

It was actually a buddy of mine that was his instructor. He ripped azz on the kid for about 20 minutes on the ramp, pulled his log book and put big x's over any endorsements in red with a void on top of it. Maybe a little overboard, but the instructor was weeks away from starting a job for the regionals and didnt want this tool riding around on his ticket.

 

[C172gal05]

flog them repeatedly

ROLFLMAO!

 

[Avenger29]

The kid needs his butt tore up...

Seriously, if I took off like that, my instructor would kill me...people with an attitude like that do NOT need to be in the air...

I don't think the reaction was overboard...the student got what he deserved...

 

[TrafficInSight]

My solo limits were 5kts max crosswind component 3000/3 or something like that. I had to call my CFI before flying and leave the current winds, ceiling, visibility, and what I was planning on doing.

Of course then, once I was in the plane, I had no intention of doing anything other than what I told him... I had a license to obtain You can take your friends for joyrides later.

 

[flymeach]

Non-endorsed landing

Here's my story, see what you all think I should do. My student was signed off for his long solo X-C. The winds were forcasted to be within the limits and he had a very thurough flight plan made up. Took off went to the first airport no problem landed and took off to the second. Upom ariving at the second airport he check the weather and the winds were over his endorsed limits. He decided to skip the landing and head back to the home base, and try it again another day. While turning to the north and climbing back up to his cruise alt, he figured he better set the heading bug. He knew what radial to follow off of his second airport but couldnt get to it due to the unrecognized error of a heading. He ended up quite a ways off course and decided to call Center to help him find his place. After admiting that he was a student pilot and on a solo X-C, they found where he was and found him the nearest airport. He figured his fuel and thinking conservativly he thought to land (at a non endorsed airport) and regroup, also fill up with gas. I am thinking he did everything safely and correctly, except for the little heading bug thing. I commended him on his decision making and told him not to worry about it and learn as much from it as possible. Just wondering what people think my follow up actions should be with the FAA or filling out a NASA report, or if anyone has a similar experience.