Straight from Silvestro's mouth he wants to cut Flex pilots pay

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Wow! I am so sad things have gotten this bad for you guys.

I guess the thing you have to decide is whether or not you're a gladiator willing to fight for the higher purpose or whether or not you're just looking for peace and move on. I wish both of those groups well.

As for the FoKs, they were without a doubt the #1 reason in the crystal ball to go for us. As long as there are enough people in this world who will lay aside decency for money, guys like Ken Ricci will always win if the gladiators don't fight.

In essence what we saw is not enough gladiators at Flexjet. Too hard to risk the cush life you have become accustomed to over the years. I get it. To most of you, even though your career is essentially Flexjet very few of you ever demanded to be treated like career professionals and demand more than stepping stone mentality your new owners see you with. You let them get away with it and now you're paying the price. Just not enough gladiators.

Now that we're gone, we are living on half of what we had at Flexjet but life is easier and eventually it will get back to 6 figures. Not bad. In retrospect though, I kinda wish we opted to just make the new Flexjet a better Flexjet (aka be a gladiator). It's not as easy to switch as you want to think. Sometimes it really is easier to fight for what you've got and get rid of the boss than half the workers, ya know?

I'd think twice before you go. I get that you hate your job (I know my husband did and this was way before it sounds like it is now) but really the grass isn't always greener when it turns out you just need to till your own soil a bit and fight.

That's all I can say. Think twice and whatever you decide, go full steam.

FJW,

Gladiators were Ancient Roman men who fought other men or animals to the death. No one will be risking their life for this battle nor will they be honored for fighting it. Flying is a job, and we are free to sell our skill and experience to the highest bidder. There has never been a better environment for pilots to leverage those attributes into a great profession. I personally know several flight Flight Options pilots who have been abjectly miserable for well over a decade. The road ahead is still long, it will be contentious, and filed with more misery. So why stay? Life is short and careers are shorter. We have precious little time to position ourselves for retirement and to enjoy a fulfilling career. I can't imagine working a decade for subpar wages while enduring discord and acrimony day upon day and year upon year. What an awful way to live especially considering how many better options are available today.

If you really want to change flight options, quit! When the revolving door starts rotating fast enough, change will occur. I guarantee it. You won't be around to benefit, but you won't have wasted one more day hating your job either. Every dollar you forgo today will require two or three tomorrow to make up for it. "Desecration is the better part of valor," and it's an incontrovertible truth all aviators must embrace.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

When I got hired, KR himself told us he had the highest paid pilots and intended to keep us there. I know things change but I plan to hold him to his word. In the end, if the negotiators can get us close, I will be happy.Now KR is using his "whisper campaign" to spread the rumor he doesn't want the JCBA to go to a vote. Why? I will predict KR is going to go back on his word. By not showing their support, the top 50 or so on the Flex seniority list are trying to undermine the negotiating power of the rest of us. They are being played by KR and don't see it yet. Eventually, their lack of support will result in the loss of Flexbid.

 

[Fresh Air]

Everyone needs to Fly the Pledge

Don't fly hungry, sick, broke, or tired.
And as long as there's Furloughs NO OVERTIME. They don't won't need it anyway their obviously OVERSTAFFED.

I hate it, but Shane's right, it's time to bring the pain.
No OT, fly the pledge, none of those 1001 little helpful favors that they rely on us to do every day to keep things running smoothly. Screw 'em, if they want to keep playing dirty why should we go above & beyond our job description to help 'em out?

 

[Bjtdrvr]

I don't think that there are many on the FO side that really do those things

 

[BlueNose]

When I got hired, KR himself told us he had the highest paid pilots and intended to keep us there. I know things change but I plan to hold him to his word.

He lied to you. He's been known to do that from time to time.

 

[BlueNose]

I hate it, but Shane's right, it's time to bring the pain.
No OT, fly the pledge, none of those 1001 little helpful favors that they rely on us to do every day to keep things running smoothly. Screw 'em, if they want to keep playing dirty why should we go above & beyond our job description to help 'em out?

Yep, all a pilot group needs to bring any Frax management group to heel is to do exactly as they're told. Don't jump in to fix those 10-20 little disasters you see developing during the course of any tour, just do what the trip sheet and SOPs tell you to do. If anything goes wrong, wait it out and let the geniuses at the head shed fix it. Most of the folks on the other end of the phone have no idea how many times each tour the average crew dog saves a trip, from either HQ screw-ups or just those unforeseen bumps in the road that pop up every day. Just don't, and let them sort it out for a while. Your value in their eyes will go up, guaranteed.

 

[doh]

In their eyes you will never have more value, but they will grudgingly give in to keep their own gravy train running.

 

[shanes123]

Yep. It's time to stop being great employees and only doing our job. Nothing more nothing less. NO FAVORS..If a plane has a maint discrepancy write it up where it stands I see crews all the time trying to get these things to MX bases. Remember that's ILLEGAL.. DONT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL FOR OR AGAINST THE COMPANY.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yep. Remember that's ILLEGAL.. DONT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL FOR OR AGAINST THE COMPANY.

Shanes. I don't think you can use that phrase anymore. The company claimed the pilots were using that phrase to signal an illegal work action. I think the pilots are starting to wake up anyway. The pilots that are doing these illegal actions are putting ALL of our jobs at risk. There is no exemption for willful unlawful acts.

 

[shanes123]

They twist whatever they want. If in their mind telling somebody to not do anything illegal is signaling a illegal action??? That's hilarious. So if we said do something illegal would that signal a legal action????

 

[doh]

Shanes. I don't think you can use that phrase anymore. The company claimed the pilots were using that phrase to signal an illegal work action. I think the pilots are starting to wake up anyway. The pilots that are doing these illegal actions are putting ALL of our jobs at risk. There is no exemption for willful unlawful acts.

That's really f'd up...and yet kinda funny. "Don't break the law" isn't something they understand...maybe that's why "it's the everyeth time they've been proven wrong in Federal court"!!

 

[shanes123]

Their the only ones that are allowed to do a illegal action. Flu season is coming. Is it illegal to get the Flu???

 

[doh]

A pilot came to observe the negotiation session, as there is an open invitation from the negotiators. From one of our Flexjet negotiators: "You should've seen the look on their faces when #### walked in and was introduced. You could've heard a pin drop. Her visit prompted a side bar discussion immediately following the session...Management won't even release the FJ-PNC members to attend without the union footing the entire bill. So next time someone Yammers and complains that Flexjet pilots aren't getting adequate or equal representation, tell them who's really preventing it."
So when you read the BS from those two yammer tools, you now know exactly what POSs they are. Only the union is giving pilots the transparency and truth.

 

[shanes123]

any Flex guys wake up yet????? Naaahhhhh

 

[doh]

any Flex guys wake up yet????? Naaahhhhh

Mexican word of the day: bishop. Can any Options guys shut this bishop???