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Straight from Silvestro's mouth he wants to cut Flex pilots pay

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Flexjet, the second-largest fractional jet company, is taking on industry leader NetJets, nearly four times its size. It?s doing so by aggressively expanding its fleet with newer aircraft?180 aircraft by year?s end, up from 154 in April?and by adding more large-cabin aircraft with swank interiors capable of flying long international hauls. Red Label, a new premium service, guarantees customers aircraft that are five years old or newer, as well as dedicated crews.

Last year, Flexjet placed a $2.4 billion order for 20 of Aerion?s AS2 supersonic business jets, which halve trans-Atlantic crossing times. The first fractional firm to go the supersonic route, it quickly distinguished itself from NetJets. In total, Flexjet has placed orders for 207 new jets and options that could ultimately secure the firm a 445-aircraft fleet for $8 billion. ?We want to make sure we are flying the youngest fleet in the sky,? says CEO Michael Silvestro.

Will its luxury strategy work? The problem with fractional-ownership programs: You buy a share in a ?new? jet and often get an older model that has been flown triple the average number of annual hours of a typically owned private jet. We boarded a fractional Gulfstream a few years ago, and the ratty interior looked as if it had been besieged by a pack of hunting dogs.

Flexjet?s fleet services 2,100 customers; you may own a quarter share, but your airplane is used by 12.8 other customers. Both Flexjet and NetJets have been countering this problem with huge orders for new aircraft, and by expanding their leasing?rather than buying?offers. But for those still seeking the tax advantages of a fractional share, Silvestro says, Flexjet is trying hard to get the price right at buy-in, while making sure the aircraft have the latest equipment and fresh interiors, and are properly maintained, so resale values hold up. He also claims that his Red Label crews make Flexjet?s service more personal and responsive than the competition?s.

Which is where the industry?s labor problems come in. In fat years, fractional operations make modest returns; in a recession, they hemorrhage cash. So everyone in the fractional business has cut labor costs, and that has occasionally affected customer service.

Flexjet is part of Cleveland-based Directional Aviation Capital, a private holding company with $1.5 billion in revenues in 2015. It acquired Flexjet from jet manufacturer Bombardier for $195 million in December 2013, but declined to provide Penta with Flexjet?s recent financial data. Directional has many other aviation-related businesses, including a lower-end sister fractional company, Flight Options, and aircraft-maintenance firm Constant Aviation.

Directional is trying to bring Flight Options? lower-cost labor structure to Flexjet, and that?s not easily done. Early last year, a group of fired Flexjet pilots filed suit against the company, alleging multiple violations of the Railway Labor Act, which also governs airline labor relations. By December, the pilots at both Flexjet and Flight Options had voted to join the Teamsters. Since then, Flexjet and the union have been engaged in increasingly acrimonious litigation. The company states it was disappointed by the vote, but looks forward to continuing to work with the pilots ?who are so vital to our success.?

Flexjet?s next flight mission is to become the go-to provider for wealthy international travelers. In the next three to four years, Silvestro wants to double Flexjet?s fleet of large-cabin Gulfstream aircraft, which existing customers can tap via the new Global Access lease program. Retired Datatel co-founder Tom Davidson leases a share in a Flexjet-run Embraer Phenom 300 light jet, but occasionally uses Global Access when he needs to intercept his catamaran at its various international ports of call. Davidson moved to Flexjet in 2014, partly because he liked the more-personal service that a smaller organization provides. ?It?s all about execution. The staff is tremendously responsive,? he says.

Can Directional really run Flexjet as a luxury brand? So far, so good, with 20% of Flexjet?s customers already signed up for the higher-priced Red Label program. That?s an impressive result, considering it?s not yet a year old
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http://www.barrons.com/articles/flexjet-takes-on-netjets-1466222365
 

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What say you RH I mean Warlord? PD are you going to comment too? Says right there in B&W that MANAGEMENT wants to reduce Flexjet's pay! This isn't a union letyer, this is straight from the horse's mouth in an interview MS had wirh Barron's. Head out of the sand yet?

I read the findings from the lawsuit of the pilots who were fired, the judge ruled that Flexjet indeed had violated the RLA hence why these pilots were returned to their positions. Has the company won ANY lawsuits?

To all the union naysayers, if the contract is shi**y then you have no one to blame except for yourself and management. Get on board the union train and get industry pay and benefits or you'll get the contract you deserve. Any paycuts are because of KR, RH, JW, MS's doing - stop being a sheep and start fighting for an industry leading contract.
 
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^^^^this^^^^
 

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And yet another jerk telling us how it should be done

Every 4-5 years, a guy in a business suit comes along, criticises the way Netjets does business, and promises to do it better, quicker and far more efficient. They're going to show us "how it should be done" 5 years ago, it was Xojet, 10 years back it was CS

But there's always a catch. They're gonna pay their employees less to better compete.

I've seen this movie before

Let's see what BS excuse they come up with in 5 years time when this flying utopia they're promising doesn't work out.
 
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And yet Netjets just added and option for 50 more Citations. Apparently they are doing something right and also paying their pilots a wage that KR said was unsustainable! That is only unsustainable because it would cut into his profits! Not make the company go out of business!
 

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Westin IAD, tv doesn't work...and the toilet doesn't flush. I miss Flexjet.
 

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I notice that RH - I mean warlord and PD haven't answered - can't defend the indefensible can you? Lies you have spun have been proven to be lies by your own guy... SMH
 

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I notice that RH - I mean warlord and PD haven't answered - can't defend the indefensible can you? Lies you have spun have been proven to be lies by your own guy... SMH

Both laughing stocks.
 

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Oh oh! Looks like Netjets is trying to streamline things. Ricci is buying Netjets!

He wishes. Because Ricci's only hope of competing with NetJets is to assimilate them and bring them down (way down) to his Options model.

How many times is it going to take for us to learn the current atmosphere was his plan from the beginning and we were lied to all along? If that Barron's article didn't wake you the ******************** up then nothing will. I know you're bitter about SLI (perhaps rightfully so from where you land) but can you see now the Union will get you better than Ricci ever intended? If you aren't Red Label, you weren't ever even going to keep your salary or schedule let alone boost it. Maybe we can get NJ A parity, maybe we can't but one thing you can take the bank is Kenn Ricci ain't gonna give it out of the nonexistent goodness of his dark soul. You want parity, you need to be willing to fight for it and all this talk of waiting to pay dues until we get to vote on a cba isn't helping and makes those chirping it sound downright dense.

But they got theirs, so what do I know, right?

While I still have a general disdain for a few of the issues regarding the drive and even our current situation, every day brings more clarity. The fact is we have no hope of surviving a Ricci company without a union. I'm hearing more and more people realize it and those who dislike unions as a principle are making plans to go. The ridiculous thing is their plans include unionized work forces. I guess they'd rather have the fight behind them on someone else's dime and effort.

SMH. I'm making plans too but only because I think he'll literally destroy the ship and burn it to the ground before he ever does anything that makes the union look good. I hope the investors are paying attention to the carelessness at the helm. That's not just Ricci by the way. At some point the puppets have to reach for the scissors. It's the saddest thing I've ever watched.
 

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He wishes. Because Ricci's only hope of competing with NetJets is to assimilate them and bring them down (way down) to his Options model.

How many times is it going to take for us to learn the current atmosphere was his plan from the beginning and we were lied to all along? If that Barron's article didn't wake you the ******************** up then nothing will. I know you're bitter about SLI (perhaps rightfully so from where you land) but can you see now the Union will get you better than Ricci ever intended? If you aren't Red Label, you weren't ever even going to keep your salary or schedule let alone boost it. Maybe we can get NJ A parity, maybe we can't but one thing you can take the bank is Kenn Ricci ain't gonna give it out of the nonexistent goodness of his dark soul. You want parity, you need to be willing to fight for it and all this talk of waiting to pay dues until we get to vote on a cba isn't helping and makes those chirping it sound downright dense.

But they got theirs, so what do I know, right?

While I still have a general disdain for a few of the issues regarding the drive and even our current situation, every day brings more clarity. The fact is we have no hope of surviving a Ricci company without a union. I'm hearing more and more people realize it and those who dislike unions as a principle are making plans to go. The ridiculous thing is their plans include unionized work forces. I guess they'd rather have the fight behind them on someone else's dime and effort.

SMH. I'm making plans too but only because I think he'll literally destroy the ship and burn it to the ground before he ever does anything that makes the union look good. I hope the investors are paying attention to the carelessness at the helm. That's not just Ricci by the way. At some point the puppets have to reach for the scissors. It's the saddest thing I've ever watched.


I hear ya, Imissy. I've accepted the hand that I've been dealt and have decided to move on. While I'm thankful for the paycheck, I'm miserable in my job.

I'm removing myself from this debate because I'm tired of being angry with both sides. I don't believe this job is worth the many battles we have to fight to win the war. Here are the few reasons why:
1. Kenn Ricci.
2. Kenn Ricci.
3..Kenn Ricci's business philosophy of Cheap labor, low overhead cost. This will never change.
4. Lack of competitive pricing for the product as well as customer friendly detail.
5. The constant battle between pilots. (Not options vs. flex) but the foks vs. the non-foks. This will go on indefinitely.
6. The teamsters.
7. Overworked with an unfavorable schedule.
8. I don't believe we are growing at a trickle.
9. I believe Flex pilots will get screwed in the fence negotiations.

What really lead me to this conclusion that this job will always be mediocre at best is the Option pilots. They are the most unhappy, pilot group I have seen. This has been the case for years, and they have representation. Now, I'm miserable here too. That starts from the top...Ricci.

Unless Ricci changes his business phylosophy towards pilots, nothing will change. Even when we have a contract. My life is too short to eat a ******************** sandwich every time I go to work. I will not accept this standard of working conditions for the next 20+ years. Ricci mentioned during a meeting that the new Flexjet might not be right place for some of us, and if it wasn't he invited us to leave. He's right. I'm looking for employment elsewhere. There's enough PDs in aviation to do his dirty work, he doesn't need me.

You guys take care and good luck.
 

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el, I don't like the hand I have been dealt either. Little did I realize that someone was dealing from the bottom of the deck. Dealing from the bottom of the deck has got to stop but once a cheater, always a cheater. Unfortunately, his word is no good and has ended up in court again.
 

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I hear ya, Imissy. I've accepted the hand that I've been dealt and have decided to move on. While I'm thankful for the paycheck, I'm miserable in my job.

I'm removing myself from this debate because I'm tired of being angry with both sides. I don't believe this job is worth the many battles we have to fight to win the war. Here are the few reasons why:
1. Kenn Ricci.
2. Kenn Ricci.
3..Kenn Ricci's business philosophy of Cheap labor, low overhead cost. This will never change.
4. Lack of competitive pricing for the product as well as customer friendly detail.
5. The constant battle between pilots. (Not options vs. flex) but the foks vs. the non-foks. This will go on indefinitely.
6. The teamsters.
7. Overworked with an unfavorable schedule.
8. I don't believe we are growing at a trickle.
9. I believe Flex pilots will get screwed in the fence negotiations.

What really lead me to this conclusion that this job will always be mediocre at best is the Option pilots. They are the most unhappy, pilot group I have seen. This has been the case for years, and they have representation. Now, I'm miserable here too. That starts from the top...Ricci.

Unless Ricci changes his business phylosophy towards pilots, nothing will change. Even when we have a contract. My life is too short to eat a ******************** sandwich every time I go to work. I will not accept this standard of working conditions for the next 20+ years. Ricci mentioned during a meeting that the new Flexjet might not be right place for some of us, and if it wasn't he invited us to leave. He's right. I'm looking for employment elsewhere. There's enough PDs in aviation to do his dirty work, he doesn't need me.

You guys take care and good luck.


Wow! I am so sad things have gotten this bad for you guys.

I guess the thing you have to decide is whether or not you're a gladiator willing to fight for the higher purpose or whether or not you're just looking for peace and move on. I wish both of those groups well.

As for the FoKs, they were without a doubt the #1 reason in the crystal ball to go for us. As long as there are enough people in this world who will lay aside decency for money, guys like Ken Ricci will always win if the gladiators don't fight.

In essence what we saw is not enough gladiators at Flexjet. Too hard to risk the cush life you have become accustomed to over the years. I get it. To most of you, even though your career is essentially Flexjet very few of you ever demanded to be treated like career professionals and demand more than stepping stone mentality your new owners see you with. You let them get away with it and now you're paying the price. Just not enough gladiators.

Now that we're gone, we are living on half of what we had at Flexjet but life is easier and eventually it will get back to 6 figures. Not bad. In retrospect though, I kinda wish we opted to just make the new Flexjet a better Flexjet (aka be a gladiator). It's not as easy to switch as you want to think. Sometimes it really is easier to fight for what you've got and get rid of the boss than half the workers, ya know?

I'd think twice before you go. I get that you hate your job (I know my husband did and this was way before it sounds like it is now) but really the grass isn't always greener when it turns out you just need to till your own soil a bit and fight.

That's all I can say. Think twice and whatever you decide, go full steam.
 

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I'm reviving this to get the word out on our JCBA section on the VUH. Everyone of our proposals are there for Onesky pilots to read. Management will never show you their contract proposals. They will never match the transparency and opened of our union.
 

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Everyone needs to Fly the Pledge

Don't fly hungry, sick, broke, or tired.
And as long as there's Furloughs NO OVERTIME. They don't won't need it anyway their obviously OVERSTAFFED.
 

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Everyone needs to Fly the Pledge

Don't fly hungry, sick, broke, or tired.
And as long as there's Furloughs NO OVERTIME. They don't won't need it anyway their obviously OVERSTAFFED.

^^^^yep^^^^
 

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Wow! I am so sad things have gotten this bad for you guys.

I guess the thing you have to decide is whether or not you're a gladiator willing to fight for the higher purpose or whether or not you're just looking for peace and move on. I wish both of those groups well.

As for the FoKs, they were without a doubt the #1 reason in the crystal ball to go for us. As long as there are enough people in this world who will lay aside decency for money, guys like Ken Ricci will always win if the gladiators don't fight.

In essence what we saw is not enough gladiators at Flexjet. Too hard to risk the cush life you have become accustomed to over the years. I get it. To most of you, even though your career is essentially Flexjet very few of you ever demanded to be treated like career professionals and demand more than stepping stone mentality your new owners see you with. You let them get away with it and now you're paying the price. Just not enough gladiators.

Now that we're gone, we are living on half of what we had at Flexjet but life is easier and eventually it will get back to 6 figures. Not bad. In retrospect though, I kinda wish we opted to just make the new Flexjet a better Flexjet (aka be a gladiator). It's not as easy to switch as you want to think. Sometimes it really is easier to fight for what you've got and get rid of the boss than half the workers, ya know?

I'd think twice before you go. I get that you hate your job (I know my husband did and this was way before it sounds like it is now) but really the grass isn't always greener when it turns out you just need to till your own soil a bit and fight.

That's all I can say. Think twice and whatever you decide, go full steam.

FJW,

Gladiators were Ancient Roman men who fought other men or animals to the death. No one will be risking their life for this battle nor will they be honored for fighting it. Flying is a job, and we are free to sell our skill and experience to the highest bidder. There has never been a better environment for pilots to leverage those attributes into a great profession. I personally know several flight Flight Options pilots who have been abjectly miserable for well over a decade. The road ahead is still long, it will be contentious, and filed with more misery. So why stay? Life is short and careers are shorter. We have precious little time to position ourselves for retirement and to enjoy a fulfilling career. I can't imagine working a decade for subpar wages while enduring discord and acrimony day upon day and year upon year. What an awful way to live especially considering how many better options are available today.

If you really want to change flight options, quit! When the revolving door starts rotating fast enough, change will occur. I guarantee it. You won't be around to benefit, but you won't have wasted one more day hating your job either. Every dollar you forgo today will require two or three tomorrow to make up for it. "Desecration is the better part of valor," and it's an incontrovertible truth all aviators must embrace.
 

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When I got hired, KR himself told us he had the highest paid pilots and intended to keep us there. I know things change but I plan to hold him to his word. In the end, if the negotiators can get us close, I will be happy.Now KR is using his "whisper campaign" to spread the rumor he doesn't want the JCBA to go to a vote. Why? I will predict KR is going to go back on his word. By not showing their support, the top 50 or so on the Flex seniority list are trying to undermine the negotiating power of the rest of us. They are being played by KR and don't see it yet. Eventually, their lack of support will result in the loss of Flexbid.
 

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Everyone needs to Fly the Pledge

Don't fly hungry, sick, broke, or tired.
And as long as there's Furloughs NO OVERTIME. They don't won't need it anyway their obviously OVERSTAFFED.

I hate it, but Shane's right, it's time to bring the pain.
No OT, fly the pledge, none of those 1001 little helpful favors that they rely on us to do every day to keep things running smoothly. Screw 'em, if they want to keep playing dirty why should we go above & beyond our job description to help 'em out?
 

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I don't think that there are many on the FO side that really do those things
 

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When I got hired, KR himself told us he had the highest paid pilots and intended to keep us there. I know things change but I plan to hold him to his word.

He lied to you. He's been known to do that from time to time.
 
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