Stop extending Nja brothers

[Dgpr]

Is NetJets a job you want to come back to? I see a lot of SIC's are looking for a job outside of NetJets. There aren't any upgrades in sight and your pay is capped after 7 years. (I think)

Most of the furloughed pilots I talk to have found better jobs and won't be coming back.

I'd focus my energy on a major airline opportunity.

Flex--
my energy is focused on the two jobs I have that together come up about $10K short of what I made when I was at Netjets... I'd go back in a heartbeat as long as it pays more than what I make now, because these last few years have wreaked havoc on our financial situation. Most of the furloughed guys and girls I know are in the same boat as I am... getting by, but not better off. Some are worse off.
I'm 53, I made the move to NJets in '08 when I was 48. It was going to be my retirement job, and I know that there are a bunch of us 495ers in the same boat. I have all my apps in at anyone who's hiring, but I'm not holding my breath that the phone will ring from any airline, either major, national or regional. It's pretty obvious from my resume and total time that I'm an old guy. The 121 time I have is not glass, so I can't check that box on any of the apps I fill out.
I've worn the captain hat plenty in my life, so I'm ok with being in the right seat. All I ask is for decent QOL and compensation, and compared to what I have right now, Netjets is WAY better, even in it's current state.
That said, I wish all my brothers well, and hope that those still working will consider what they can do to hasten our return.
Now I have to go deliver pizza... (I'm not kidding, it's my 3rd job)

 

[gutshotdraw]

I know what this will bring on me, but if you're relying on mathematics to bolster your cause, your wrong.

A few extended days here and there don't save the day, for the company. Those on the 18 day are working an additional 3 days per month. That's where the numbers really lie. However it's their contractual right, to bid and work that schedule.

I for one won't get on the "calling out the extenders BS" until you've made a call to every pilot on the 18 day......

BTw a I don't think there are that many extended days being offered. I've not been asked to extend since 2006.....

Fire away, let's get the attitudes of everyone at NJA so crappy, that no one will hire from our pool of pilots. Yeah that's the ticket.....in unity we can all go down in flames...LOL

I agree with many of your points although I think the extended day requests vary wildly by fleet.

I have been asked to extend a tour exactly once in the past two years. And I was in Europe at the time. And I said "tempting, but, NO." And I'm in Europe now and I smell another extension request coming. The answer will be the same.

 

[gunfyter]

In recurrent now. IMO no way will there be recalls until they are forced to by the sell off ex exceedence

Up until now extended days or 18 days would not have caused an exceedence. But now maybe ? The past is behind is and none of it would have made a difference. It's a new ball game since Oct1.

Play Ball!

 

[imacdog]

Unity is never passe.

 

[gunfyter]

No disagreement but I am focused on what happens from today forward. Every day you extend is another month before there are recalls or get a new contract.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

No disagreement but I am focused on what happens from today forward. Every day you extend is another month before there are recalls or get a new contract.

++++++++

 

[jetlag7]

Billybob, not sure where you are getting your information, but I don't know a single person who has extended since the furlough. (I'm also in one of the busiest fleets and have a very wide circle of acquaintances.)

They are working us to death as it is, I can't imagine any sane person volunteering for more...

I do however, know for a fact a few key management personnel who haven't touched an airplane in years, are now flying the line in addition to their "desk jobs." Perhaps this is the group doing most of the alleged extending??

 

[Wankel7]

The only times I have been asked to extend is when scheduling knows they have a problem getting me home before midnight. Only a fool would take that bait.

Billybob, not sure where you are getting your information, but I don't know a single person who has extended since the furlough. (I'm also in one of the busiest fleets and have a very wide circle of acquaintances.)

They are working us to death as it is, I can't imagine any sane person volunteering for more...

I do however, know for a fact a few key management personnel who haven't touched an airplane in years, are now flying the line in addition to their "desk jobs." Perhaps this is the group doing most of the alleged extending??

I know what this will bring on me, but if you're relying on mathematics to bolster your cause, your wrong.

A few extended days here and there don't save the day, for the company. Those on the 18 day are working an additional 3 days per month. That's where the numbers really lie. However it's their contractual right, to bid and work that schedule.

I for one won't get on the "calling out the extenders BS" until you've made a call to every pilot on the 18 day......

BTw a I don't think there are that many extended days being offered. I've not been asked to extend since 2006.....

Fire away, let's get the attitudes of everyone at NJA so crappy, that no one will hire from our pool of pilots. Yeah that's the ticket.....in unity we can all go down in flames...LOL

Extensions are being taking. The information is there for you to access. Just because you are not accessing the data to see for yourself does not mean it isn't happening.

That is a very good point about the 18 day schedule. That is a bigger demon than extending. Say 500 pilots on the 18 day? 1500 extra days a month to the company....that is huge.

If I ever get recalled I will be on the 7/7 and not extend until everybody has been recalled that wants it. In fact I look forward to it.

 

[jetlag7]

Extensions are being taking. The information is there for you to access. Just because you are not accessing the data to see for yourself does not mean it isn't happening....

Fair enough, I'll keep searching. Of course, since they redesigned the Crew Ops website I can't find a single useful piece of information anymore. (not a fan of Jetstream) :banghead:

 

[Pervis]

On the NJASAP web site, visit the Scheduling Committee and on the front page you'll see a link to Duty Summaries. Most recent is for August. The days marked with a * are extended days. I'm told a report will be forth coming-for educational purposes only.

It's not the pilots extending. The FA's are to no end. I've spoken to several about the effect on CBA progress and got the deer in the headlights look. Their leadership and crew mates need to educate them.

 

[Raskal]

Billybob, not sure where you are getting your information, but I don't know a single person who has extended since the furlough. (I'm also in one of the busiest fleets and have a very wide circle of acquaintances.)

They are working us to death as it is, I can't imagine any sane person volunteering for more...

I do however, know for a fact a few key management personnel who haven't touched an airplane in years, are now flying the line in addition to their "desk jobs." Perhaps this is the group doing most of the alleged extending??

Just out of curiosity, how is this possible under your contract? I'm assuming by management you mean non-union pilots flying a union position...that's allowed?

 

[jetlag7]

Just out of curiosity, how is this possible under your contract? I'm assuming by management you mean non-union pilots flying a union position...that's allowed?

The ones I know about were all at one time line pilots who left for management jobs but were allowed to keep their seniority numbers on the list. (allowed by our contract unfortunately which needs to be remedied)

In fact, one of them used to be Union President at one time....

 

[billybob]

Thanks all for keeping this going,

As for the 18 day I did not want to open that can of worms if you will. I thought we could start small with something that 99% of us could get with. YES I do think and I KNOW that the 18 day is not helping. We are at a tipping point in the last month or so that I think now is the time to start the bid off the 18 day.

The union is in a tight place due to us being in-house and does not want to piss$$$ out the door on things they don't have to so they will never say not to extend or to get off the 18 day. They will also say it makes no impact on things. They and we know different.

Why is it that when we were asked to do LOA and 6&8 and 5&9 did that make a difference to Nja and RTS but now it does not? Funny math?

LOAs are not happening, people are being asked to extend and the days of airline only on your first and last are over. Not due to better scheduled trips or people in cmh sorry....

Sell offs in the summer, guys working like 06.

The tipping point is NOW

Look for some numbers out soon, I think we have come last qr and will pass 11 this one.

Fly the contract and talk to your brothers and sisters out there

 

[Wankel7]

On the NJASAP web site, visit the Scheduling Committee and on the front page you'll see a link to Duty Summaries. Most recent is for August. The days marked with a * are extended days.

Search for "EXT"

 

[DC-4]

I will save everyone the time to look and for those of you who are involved in this conversation who are not nja. In the month of Aug alone there were 98 extended days issued. That is shameful in my opinion with guys on furlough and don't tell me that number is going down come the busy season and don't tell me that 98 days does not affect selloff numbers that ultimately affects recalls. By the way that number is a company published number not a guess or estimate on anyones part.

 

[Xcorporate]

98 extended days in one month! And the union supports this?
When did they stop working for us?

 

[Pervis]

No, the union does not support this. But they can't tell someone they can't do something clearly authorized in the existing CBA. It would be interesting to know how many were large cabin a/c.

Wankel, how does one execute a search on an Excell spread sheet? Honest question.

 

[Xcorporate]

They don't have to say "don't do this". They could very simply remind the active pilots that we still have over 400 "brothers" on the street. Extend if you must, but be mindful that over 400 pilots are "standing by". Maybe include a note about how much money the company is saving per day,week, month, while the active guys are humping like never before. I don't think this would be illegal....

 

[Wankel7]

No, the union does not support this. But they can't tell someone they can't do something clearly authorized in the existing CBA. It would be interesting to know how many were large cabin a/c.

Wankel, how does one execute a search on an Excell spread sheet? Honest question.

Utilize the "Find and Replace" feature. It is nice because it will actually count the number it has to replace.

Just as a point of concern....posting the number of extended days...is that ok?

 

[billybob]

I can't speak for the union but they can not say anything one way or the other on extended days or on the 18 day.

There are a few reasons why but a lawyer is involved with the answer to that.

As I said before, RTS said it was a matter of pilot days. The more pilot days the less pilots needed.
Thus extending and the 18 day = fewer of the 495 needed back.

I'm sure someone could figure out how many days the 18 day + the 98 extended = out to be.

So if 10% of the guys on the 18 day started to bid off now(the limit as I recall) at what point do we hit the 40% min?

I know one of you smart guys can figure this out(pervis or dc)

Just from my moles in cmh I know we are close to this being the braking point

Get off the 18 day