Stop extending Nja brothers

[DC-4]

Has he ever heard of the City Of Hope in California. Has he ever heard of Childrens hospital its amazing the things they do to help families with sick kids. I am not saying this to rip on you or him for that matter. I am honestly trying to tell you to explore options working extended days is not the answer there are many places to get help my cousin works for the City Of Hope. He should be at home with his sick child as much as possible loving her or him. That will do more for the recovery than any extended day were he is in some hotel god knows were. Take care of family first and screw NJA and flying.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

my buddy is extending because he has a child with leukemia.

but go ahead, keep calling him a money whore. im sure he dont care.

I would wager a guy like that never gave a damn about the backs he had to walk on to get that extra cash. Sympathy's for his kid. Him.......not so much!

 

[msculley6905]

People like msculley will have you believe that staffing is not the issue, all the while pushing extended day requests out to pilots who are all too willing. I don't buy it.
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If you don't like what I have to say, don't bring my name into the conversaion. I have zero influence over offering extended days to crews other than. FAs.

A hypothetical: say a G crew has the SIC dnif in Paris. meanwhile thereis another crewmember heading home from there by airline. You're saying it's better to ferry across the atlantic to recover the trip a day late than for the pilot just airlining home to accept an extended day if offered? No one like toseeyou guys onfurlough, but losing owners will not speed up recalls.

 

[OPECJet]

How often does that a scenario play out? I'm thinking not too often.

 

[msculley6905]

How often does that a scenario play out? I'm thinking not too often.

Agreed...hence stating hypothetically...curious as to the OPs view on that scenario is all.

 

[Willy21]

If the company needs a pilot bad enough they will cancel the airline home from Europe and put him on the trip. If it results in an after midnight then he gets two extended days plus time recovery. Good for the company and better for the pilot if you ask me. By saying he is hurting the company by not extending is a stretch at best.

At the end of the day the decision and responsibility for that decision rest with CMH, not the pilot.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

If the company needs a pilot bad enough they will cancel the airline home from Europe and put him on the trip. If it results in an after midnight then he gets two extended days plus time recovery. Good for the company and better for the pilot if you ask me. By saying he is hurting the company by not extending is a stretch at best.

At the end of the day the decision and responsibility for that decision rest with CMH, not the pilot.

Willy said it for me.

 

[Wankel7]

Is NetJets a job you want to come back to? I see a lot of SIC's are looking for a job outside of NetJets. There aren't any upgrades in sight and your pay is capped after 7 years. (I think)

Most of the furloughed pilots I talk to have found better jobs and won't be coming back.

I'd focus my energy on a major airline opportunity.

YOU focus YOUR energy on what YOU need to focus YOUR energy on and don't project your assumptions onto a group of over 400 men and women. And please don't make your decisions to extend or enjoy the 18 day on your assumption that nobody is coming back. If you are not extending and are on the 7/7 than thank you !

Let me through out a new assumption. You and I both won't know how many furloughed pilots will take recall until the ENTIRE process of recalling EVERYBODY is complete. That simple.

my buddy is extending because he has a child with leukemia.

but go ahead, keep calling him a money whore. im sure he dont care.

I am very very sorry to hear about your friends sick child. That is horrible. If he was to set up a fund with the Netjets Family Foundation I will be more than happy to donate to the cause of his child.

Both active and furloughed pilots should be treated as family. Treat us like a family and we WILL return the favor. Don't extend against me; ask me for my help. He might be pleasantly surprised. Please pass this message to him.

If you don't like what I have to say, don't bring my name into the conversaion. I have zero influence over offering extended days to crews other than. FAs.

A hypothetical: say a G crew has the SIC dnif in Paris. meanwhile thereis another crewmember heading home from there by airline. You're saying it's better to ferry across the atlantic to recover the trip a day late than for the pilot just airlining home to accept an extended day if offered? No one like toseeyou guys onfurlough, but losing owners will not speed up recalls.

There is no , "Better" as all situations suck. However, the company already knows the answer to this scenario. The pilot will most likely extend to "help" the company.

I would even bet the company knows that a pilot in this situation will fold like a lawn chair and extend. I would bet money they know this SO well they would not even stage a back up crew in Paris. You can't blame an owner being upset with NJs because a pilot refused to extend. You should blame NJ for not backing up such a trip. It would be better to pull a well rested pilot of out of the hotel than a cranky pilot that just got yanked off his airline home...wouldn't you say?

Isn't that what the owners pay tons of extra bucks per hour for at NJs? Solid backups to their flights...and a pilot extending or not is not what I call a solid backup plan.

What...not enough pilots for this amazing level of service? Gee, I can think of over 400 pilots that would be willing to help maintain this level of service....


Let me refine the request by the OP.

-Stop extending.

-Stop doing the 18 day schedule.

 

[billybob]

Wankel, I could not have said it better. +123 for you

 

[CE750Driver]

Don't worry guys, its just 750driver picking up the mess that we created.

I haven't done an extended day since I can remember. Maybe 10 years. You are still a whiny little girl. That will never change.

Go back to your hole troll.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

If you don't like what I have to say, don't bring my name into the conversaion. I have zero influence over offering extended days to crews other than. FAs.

A hypothetical: say a G crew has the SIC dnif in Paris. meanwhile thereis another crewmember heading home from there by airline. You're saying it's better to ferry across the atlantic to recover the trip a day late than for the pilot just airlining home to accept an extended day if offered? No one like toseeyou guys onfurlough, but losing owners will not speed up recalls.

Your "name" was brought into the conversation because on a previous thread you stated that you didn't think the issues in scheduling were related to staffing issues. Yet we constantly hear that there are a lot of extended days being offered and picked up, which means that there IS a staffing issue and that your department is alleviating it by offering extended days en masse and the active pilots are capitalizing on that opportunity at the expense of the furloughed pilots.

If you don't want your "name" brought into a thread on FI, then don't post here.

 

[Xcorporate]

From what I've heard they run a program that is supposed to maximize a crews utilization. If that's true it isn't a scheduler sticking to crews it's a program Netjets wrote. I also understand that it will have a crew member commute 3 legs if means they can get 15 minutes more duty out of you. I've heard of guys taking a PTO then getting offered to work that PTO for extended pay. This is what you get when you have a lawyer without a clue reading spread sheets. All the while the furloughed guys are risking everything working for 134.5 sh*t bag companies.
Don't extend, don't bid the 18 day. This has to stop.

 

[billybob]

Without having the Njasap name on it. What can a few guys that support this idea do? I would lend my time to help any cause that gets me and the other 495 back.

A union within the union if you will

Any takers?

 

[Xcorporate]

The problem with that is NJASAP would shut you down immediately. They seem to be really good at providing "case law", NLRB, railway act, and any other source of info that allows them support company positions and take shots at the furloughed group.

I really don't see anybody (company or union) falling in favor of the furloughed group. They simply don't have anything to gain from it. They are both self serving entities to the extreme.

Our only real chance of righting this wrong is to communicate with the pilot group about the negative affects of extending. On occasion extending is the best option, but for the most part it shouldn't be tolerated. Period.

Don't extend.
Don't bid 18 day.

 

[nordo_2]

Is NetJets a job you want to come back to? I see a lot of SIC's are looking for a job outside of NetJets. There aren't any upgrades in sight and your pay is capped after 7 years. (I think)

Most of the furloughed pilots I talk to have found better jobs and won't be coming back.

I'd focus my energy on a major airline opportunity.

This guy has the right idea. If you are somewhere worse, and cant stand it, then hopefully you make it back. At this point you will come back to a terminal sic position.

The next couple of years will probably be good, for movement into better airline jobs.

 

[billybob]

The problem with that is NJASAP would shut you down immediately. They seem to be really good at providing "case law", NLRB, railway act, and any other source of info that allows them support company positions and take shots at the furloughed group.

I really don't see anybody (company or union) falling in favor of the furloughed group. They simply don't have anything to gain from it. They are both self serving entities to the extreme.

Our only real chance of righting this wrong is to communicate with the pilot group about the negative affects of extending. On occasion extending is the best option, but for the most part it shouldn't be tolerated. Period.

Don't extend.
Don't bid 18 day.




Xcorp

I bet your correct. Sucks but your right.

Fly the contract, fly safe, don't fly sick,tired or broke

Fly the contract, fly safe, don't fly sick,tired or broke

Fly the contract, fly safe, don't fly sick,tired or broke

 

[flagshipper]

We know the email format. Could we as individuals send emails to active pilots letting them know the 495 are still here and would love to come back? It would not involve the union at all. I am at least going to Facebook message my NJ friends and politely remind them of our situation

 

[billybob]

Friends can tell friends whatever you like, as it has been said a lack organization with this is key. Not that anyone has said anything but


Fly safe fly the contract,

Don't fly sick,sleepy or broke. Don't help them out. Do the min for the company but the best for the owner.

 

[ghostrider64]

I know what this will bring on me, but if you're relying on mathematics to bolster your cause, your wrong.

A few extended days here and there don't save the day, for the company. Those on the 18 day are working an additional 3 days per month. That's where the numbers really lie. However it's their contractual right, to bid and work that schedule.

I for one won't get on the "calling out the extenders BS" until you've made a call to every pilot on the 18 day......

BTw a I don't think there are that many extended days being offered. I've not been asked to extend since 2006.....

Fire away, let's get the attitudes of everyone at NJA so crappy, that no one will hire from our pool of pilots. Yeah that's the ticket.....in unity we can all go down in flames...LOL

 

[flyjetspeed]

I know what this will bring on me, but if you're relying on mathematics to bolster your cause, your wrong.

A few extended days here and there don't save the day, for the company. Those on the 18 day are working an additional 3 days per month. That's where the numbers really lie. However it's their contractual right, to bid and work that schedule.

I for one won't get on the "calling out the extenders BS" until you've made a call to every pilot on the 18 day......

BTw a I don't think there are that many extended days being offered. I've not been asked to extend since 2006.....

Fire away, let's get the attitudes of everyone at NJA so crappy, that no one will hire from our pool of pilots. Yeah that's the ticket.....in unity we can all go down in flames...LOL

The only times I have been asked to extend is when scheduling knows they have a problem getting me home before midnight. Only a fool would take that bait.