Stay and the new UAL or go to SWA?

[IAHERJ]

Negative but I've heard it has 100% humidity, snakes and it doesn't have Mirror Pond Pale Ale.

I'm out.

Gup

It is humid. The snakes are questionable. I need to look up Mirror Pond Pale Ale. I think I'd like it... My place in IAH is next to a huge Spec's Liquor so I'll check it out tomorrow....

 

[GuppyWN]

You'll like it........ a lot.

Anything from Deschutes. Budweiser is plant water.

Gup

 

[Superpilot92]

the time to have gone to SWA was 10 years ago, now you're at the tail end of a huge boom in growth. Sure there's more growth potential but nothing compared to over the last 10 years. Stay at United, retirements and growth potential with the RJ bubble bursting things could be really good with UAL in the next few years as retirements begin.

 

[Boxboy]

I really like SWA and admire their business model. But man, the arrogance..... You guys sound like some of the old United pilots during the booming years.
BTW, I'd stay put at Unicon.

 

[thruthemurk]

I really like SWA and admire their business model. But man, the arrogance..... You guys sound like some of the old United pilots during the booming years.
BTW, I'd stay put at Unicon.

Going to SWA now is like going to United in 2000 or buying Xerox when it hit 100. Its a long way down.

 

[BE200drvr]

I really like SWA and admire their business model. But man, the arrogance..... You guys sound like some of the old United pilots during the booming years.
BTW, I'd stay put at Unicon.

Yeah I agree. The arrogant attitude doesn't represent the whole at swa. from what I've seen anyway. I wish these guys would stop, however. The arrogant guys make swa look bad. I should point out that they don't make any of the business decisions, but they try to take credit for it or even put people down.

The thing that greatly disgusts me about the airline business is that the business decisions in the front office can adversely affect so many families. I think what Tilton did at United and how he recked so many households. I am glad for the UAL people that he is gone.

UAL has a lot of potential.

 

[California]

with about 500-700 retirements a year at the new UAL ....you might want to think twice.

My Math,

UAL/CAL retirements


2012 32
2013 399
2014 419
2015 382
2016 371
2017 431
2018 413
2019 424
2020 427

Anyone have Airtran numbers?

 

[Captain X]

Budweiser is plant water.

Gup

I wouldn't even water my plants with that shizz

 

[IAHERJ]

My Math,

UAL/CAL retirements


2012 32
2013 399
2014 419
2015 382
2016 371
2017 431
2018 413
2019 424
2020 427

Anyone have Airtran numbers?

Seems low. Are these just the CAL retirements or a combination?

On another note, when guys from the express carriers are on the jumpseat etc. and asking about future hiring I always bring up AA. I think in 5 years the place to be will be AA. They will be retiring in big #'s and most likely growing at the same time to compete with DAL and UAL without having to go through a merger like the other 2.

 

[jonjuan]

Seems low. Are these just the CAL retirements or a combination?

Sounds about right for both. '12-'20 at CAL/UAL is 3298 versus 2786 at similar sized DAL/NW.

 

[jonjuan]

Seems low. Are these just the CAL retirements or a combination?

On another note, when guys from the express carriers are on the jumpseat etc. and asking about future hiring I always bring up AA. I think in 5 years the place to be will be AA. They will be retiring in big #'s and most likely growing at the same time to compete with DAL and UAL without having to go through a merger like the other 2.

A B6 merger should change their numbers a bit.

 

[Full of LUV]

A B6 merger should change their numbers a bit.

But a merger with LCC (eastern portion) would accelerate their list. You just can't really predict, can you? Who would've thunk just a couple years ago that being on Frontiers list would get you a fastrack back to the regionals (pay at least) and on the AAI list as an FO would suddenly get you added to the SWA contract (better than their own contract negotiations had even hoped for). Shows you that the negotiations were way undershot.
LUV

 

[HHH]

Thanks for all the replies. I am not in the pool but was close to getting an interview before SWA stopped hiring (needless to say I have a 737 type). Regardless, it's sad that people actually have to consider leaving a major airline for "greener pastures" these days.

As many have said the potential at CAL/UAL is great, while the track record of SWA is incredible. IMHO the potential of CAL outweighs the potential at SWA. HOWEVER, unlike so many other industries, our careers are strongly affected by the decisions made by upper management. I have very little faith in this little man sMisek and his minions. SWA management has proven that "dignity and respect" is not just a moniker to fool the masses, but an important characteristic of a successful company. This little man sMisek has just gotten a ridiculous raise (while being in position for only 10 months). CAL and UAL made a nice profit last quarter yet he parrots that we pilots must continue to wait to be reimbursed the loan that is due. And of course, while I've always supported ALPA, their apparent impotence at effecting any positive change has gotten old.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

My Math,

UAL/CAL retirements


2012 32
2013 399
2014 419
2015 382
2016 371
2017 431
2018 413
2019 424
2020 427

Anyone have Airtran numbers?

You need to add about 10-20% for medical retirments. Trust me it will be close to what I said.

 

[pilotgolfer]

HHH,

I wish you well if you decide to leave. Would you mind taking another 1436 of your friends with you?