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Status at NetJets

FlyFlyFly

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What is the status of things at NetJets? I am not very knowledgeable of the whole strike process, but had been hearing of a June deadline. Did it come and go? Or did it ever exist? Are negotiations ongoing, or have they stopped?

A search for news on the matter yielded little news, but alot of debate.
 
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Talks start back up wed. Both sides are closer but scope and money are still yet to be determined. The company "SEEMS" more motivated in the past month to get a deal done.

The June deadline has come and go. The strike vote gets counted later this month.
 

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Perhaps a dumb question, but if the stirke vote passes...do you guys DEFINITLY strike?
 

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paulsalem said:
Perhaps a dumb question, but if the stirke vote passes...do you guys DEFINITLY strike?
A strike vote is not even a requirement under RLA to strike. It is a measurement tool used to guage desire of the membership to withhold services if leagally allowed to do so. The tool has many uses.
 

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When the strike vote passes, no it does not mean a strike. Just that we are ready and willing to strike to obtain a fair and equitable contract. At this point, it is a message to management from their pilots how important a fair schedule and wage is - and how important it should be to them. We are serious about what we are asking for, and the management should be seriously considering our proposals.
 

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Vote of Confidence

Schrode said:
When the strike vote passes, no it does not mean a strike. Just that we are ready and willing to strike to obtain a fair and equitable contract. At this point, it is a message to management from their pilots how important a fair schedule and wage is - and how important it should be to them. We are serious about what we are asking for, and the management should be seriously considering our proposals.


At this point you are correct that it is a vote of confidence in your Union leadership. And we hope is passes with flying colors so you feel good about being in the same boat. And anything less than the 89% upon which they were voted into office would be a declining lack of confidence. Just like the declining polls of George Bush looking for weapons of mass destruction. Sort of like the MEC looking for the weapons of mass profits for your 100% wage increase. The money isn’t there and they won’t buy labor on debt. So your vote of confidence will tell a lot about the membership, the kool-aid and your future.
 

Bad Monkey!

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O.K., I'll bite:

"The money isn't there"! How do you know? Please, explain EXACTLY how you know the money isn't there? Facts only.
 

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Troll, if the money isnt there, how are we expanding so rapidly? When money isn't there companys dont grow at double digit numbers, they shrink. You are a complete tool for believing that nonsense.
 

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CMHTroll said:
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At this point you are correct that it is a vote of confidence in your Union leadership. And we hope is passes with flying colors so you feel good about being in the same boat. And anything less than the 89% upon which they were voted into office would be a declining lack of confidence. Just like the declining polls of George Bush looking for weapons of mass destruction. Sort of like the MEC looking for the weapons of mass profits for your 100% wage increase. The money isn’t there and they won’t buy labor on debt. So your vote of confidence will tell a lot about the membership, the kool-aid and your future.
Time to take your meds... Do you know how much waste there is in the NJA system???? How many VPs are there at NJA? There is money to be had, and it will come from your wallet (and from the other non-unionized employees). Merry Christmas!
 

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CE750Driver said:
Troll, if the money isnt there, how are we expanding so rapidly? When money isn't there companys dont grow at double digit numbers, they shrink. You are a complete tool for believing that nonsense.
Tell the same thing to AA, US, DL, and UA pre 9/11. They were all expanding while losing much money at the same time. Uh ohhhhhhh.........In walks WN and B6.
 

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miles otoole said:
Tell the same thing to AA, US, DL, and UA pre 9/11. They were all expanding while losing much money at the same time. Uh ohhhhhhh.........In walks WN and B6.
AA, US, DL, and UA were not expanding at any rate even close to what Netjets is. And I would not compare Flex, Options, or Shares to WN or B6. Good try showing slow expansion to what is happening at Netjets though!
 

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Netjets buys 50 400xps with options for more...25 800xps with options...yet they don't have the scratch for pilots or flight attendants now.

Mechanics contract just on the horizon. Three contracts coming up. Two of them years overdue.

This looks real good for them. Keep robbing peter to pay paul.
 

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CE750Driver said:
Troll, if the money isnt there, how are we expanding so rapidly? When money isn't there companys dont grow at double digit numbers, they shrink. You are a complete tool for believing that nonsense.
Just watched a show on the history of Dupont (the largest chemical company in the world). When they had their largest and fastest growth, when they really started to hit big time with huge new contracts with the goverment that were very profitable, they were insolvent (more debt than money). Almost went under. Made it through and ended up making piles of money. Maybe not what's happening and NJ, but it would be naiive to judge the amount of money they have by the volume that they do.

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What's the matter Troll? cat got your tounge?

Or is it that you finally took some pepto-bismo for your diarrea of the mouth?

Oh, that's right, you don't have the facts!
 

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Do you know how much waste there is in the NJA system???? How many VPs are there at NJA? There is money to be had, and it will come from your wallet (and from the other non-unionized employees). Merry Christmas!
My question is do you know how much waste there is in pilot crew food? Not normal everyday good food, but elk steaks etc? Setting into something reasonable like prime rib or strip would save a lot of money. It is the exotic meals you order that waste money. The company could save millions. That is your control. What are you going to do about it?

It is a typical Union ploy to say that the waste is the Company’s fault and if everything were perfect then they could pay the Union members more. It is never perfect at any company and it won’t be at NetJets no matter how much you whine. That argument has never held up before and won’t now.


Monkey, your Team will soon find out when you look at the books. Ask them to give you the truth!
 
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Troll you are stupid if you think crew food costs too much for the company. I would love to take time out of my day to go to a restaurant sit down and eat at least three times a day for a 14 hour duty day. If you want that to happen then I say great stop the crewmeals and we will all go out to eat. I like that idea alot as do most of the flight crews.

You don't know anything about crew meal costs. The other day I ordered a Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich for lunch at our biggest caterer. Cost was $40 dollars. My partner ordered Chicken Marsala cost was $42 dollars. It doesn't matter what you order it all costs the same inflated prices. Maybe management should work some better deals on crew meals from our caterers. You want the union to save the company more money. We already saved the company millions in hotel costs thanks to our travel committee. What's the cost of having a jet sit idle for about six hours a day while we go out to eat three times a day? I really do believe that you are in management at NJA. Why don't you suggest your idea in the morning meeting and see how that one goes over?
 

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Y'all talkin' about "options", "tremendous growth" and crew meals have no idea what the real drivers of the profitability in your business are.
 
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