starting a 135 trip part 91 and ending 91

[FO4life]

yea I know but baby steps.

 

[DUATS]

My interpretation has always been that the 91 leg on the end must be completed within the duty time requirement - but can exceed the flight time requirement. The 91 leg prior to a 135 leg counts for both, period.

 

[pilotgolfer]

My interpretation has always been that the 91 leg on the end must be completed within the duty time requirement - but can exceed the flight time requirement. The 91 leg prior to a 135 leg counts for both, period.

I don't think the duty time matters once you go 91.

 

[ackattacker]

I don't think the duty time matters once you go 91.

Correct, maybe. Remember that the regulations DO NOT regulate duty time. You can be on duty 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. You just can't *fly* under 135 unless you can look back and see the required rest and time off. The question is whether that 91 flight is treated the same as a 135 flight, and that's where interpretations get tricky.

For example, you could finish your 135 trip and the company could assign you to do some paper work, wash the plane, etc. That's duty time, not rest, but it's not illegal because you're not flying. No problem going over your duty time in that example.

 

[jman90]

I don't think the duty time matters once you go 91.

As long as the rest lookback for tomorrow begins after the 91 ferry instead of the 135 leg.

 

[brokeflyer]

the first 91 leg counts towards duty time. If you are done with part 135 for the day and out of duty time, you CAN fly part 91 back home if you want. Legally the company can't ASK you to fly over duty. If you do, your rest period begins when you are done flying 91/135.

So that means you go into rest AFTER the last 91 leg.

A lot of dirt bag operators will "teach" the only the stuff that counts is the 135 legs. so they will get pilots to fly a 3 hour leg to pick someone up and just dont count that.

 

[ksu_aviator]

the first 91 leg counts towards duty time. If you are done with part 135 for the day and out of duty time, you CAN fly part 91 back home if you want. Legally the company can't ASK you to fly over duty. If you do, your rest period begins when you are done flying 91/135.

Not quite. There is no rest requirement under part 91 so you can fly for 24 hours of duty if need be. So the company can ask you to do anything part 91.

So that means you go into rest AFTER the last 91 leg.

A lot of dirt bag operators will "teach" the only the stuff that counts is the 135 legs. so they will get pilots to fly a 3 hour leg to pick someone up and just dont count that.

 

[pilotyip]

Not quite. There is no rest requirement under part 91 so you can fly for 24 hours of duty if need be. So the company can ask you to do anything part 91.

they can ask, but not assign duty in access of 14 hours

 

[brokeflyer]

So the company can ask you to do anything part 91.

no they can't...they can ask, but the pilot don' have to do it. regardless of what part it is.

the only time they can do that if is ALL the flying is 91.....like a private company. but since example pilot already did a 135 flight then the clock is ticking on duty time......and that includes the last 91 leg.

 

[100-1/2]

"No Certificate Holder may Assign..."
"No Pilot may accept an assignment..."

You are both screwed. Difference is their Certificate is assessed a Civil Penalty while yours is suspended and/or revoked.

100-1/2