Spirit to hire directly from ERAU?

[Gearthrower]

Enigma,


The Last election vote totals would say most pilots have very little if any faith in the current rep's.

 

[Gearthrower]

How long before LGA, ACY and SJU will elect their capt and fo reps? Anyone know the ALPA timeline once a base is opened?

Not for a while, ACY and LGA are to small for status Reps and SJU is not quite big enough. It will be up to ALPA and the MEC.

 

[Beetle007]

Not for a while, ACY and LGA are to small for status Reps and SJU is not quite big enough. It will be up to ALPA and the MEC.

Do you happen to know the size requirement?

I always assumed these things were written somewhere in some ALPA bylaws.

 

[Beetle007]

Its funny to see when you get some hot shot riddle guy who ends up at mesa!! you guys spend that much $ to get "the best education" out there and then many of you end up at mesa???? I guess they don't teach common sense there!

Have you looked at regional pay lately?
Mesa is higher paying (or the same) as many regionals. Funny how we mock the pilots who go to a regional but condemn the pilots who want to skip regionals and come directly to Spirit.


Look at these 5 year capt payscales.

Horizon - (CRJ700) $80
Republic - (Many) $77, $70, $67, $60
American Eagle - (many aircraft) $73, $69, $66
Skywest - (CRJ900/200 vs. CRJ-200) $69, $66
ASA -(CRJ700 vs. CRJ200/ATR72) $69, $66
PSA - (CRJ700 and CRJ200) $68
Mesa – (CRJ900, CRJ700, CRJ/ERJ145) $69, $64, $61
Compass - (E175) $69
Expressjet - (ERJ145 vs ERJ135) $69, $61
Air Wisconsin -(CRJ200) $66
Gojet - (CRJ700) $66
Mesaba - (CRJ900 vs CRJ200) $66, $62
Pinnacle - (CRJ-200) $62
Tran States - (E-145) $62
Comair -(CRJ700 vs CRJ200) $66, $63

 

[BoilerUP]

Beetle007, nice spin...but Mesa's 50 seat CA rate is the lowest of all the airlines you list above.

 

[jmreii]

Its funny to see when you get some hot shot riddle guy who ends up at mesa!! you guys spend that much $ to get "the best education" out there and then many of you end up at mesa???? I guess they don't teach common sense there!

common sense cannot be taught, either you have it or you don't.

 

[Beetle007]

Beetle007, nice spin...but Mesa's 50 seat CA rate is the lowest of all the airlines you list above.

Not by much. Mostly by a few dollars an hour.

My point was pay mostly sucks regardless of the regional. Domicile locations and upgrade time are more important for someone entering this industry than 1 or 2 dollars an hour.

Regional pilots arguing about who is the highest paid is like prostitutes arguing over who is the sluttiest (with the exception of Skybus - they are the sluttiest airline).

Pay and QOL needs to be raised throughout the regional industry.

 

[Gearthrower]

I think the argument has always been about experiance and how they will be placed at a distinct disadvantage by starting in a position where they were never forced to make decisions with very little support. And never given the opportunity to make mistakes in judgement when the only one affected is themselves. Do not sell short the process by which many had to go through to eventually get to the left seat on a large aircraft. Can they get this from sitting in the right seat of an Airbus working for an airline possibly. But, how will they react when faced with a Dispatcher and MX controler who says do not worry the weathers Forcast is great but your experiance tells you something different and you want more gas or MX tells you its legal but you do not think it is safe. These are positions that we have all been in and made the bad choice to listen and not make a stand for what we thought was right, and safe. Do you think they will get that experiance sitting in the right seat a Spirit; not every Captain is as egalitarian as you would think. Place a young guy with little experiance into the equation I think it will take him twice as long to get that real life experiance he or she would have gotten by starting at the bottom. To say that they are taking these positions because they want to avoid low pay and crappy working conditions is ludacris. This new pilot program that our glorius leaders have devised is a tool to devided the pilot group. It will take many years for these newbie's to shake the sense that their career is completely owed to Spirit. I do not envy them one bit...

 

[Shrek]

Good post Gear.

 

[Gearthrower]

The opening of an LEC is governed by Article III Section 10. You can find it on the ALPA website under Elibrary. The minimum is 10 pilots, but it references the stability of the base, which means until it is there for awhile it will be governed by another LEC. To make it a standalone LEC would require National and the MEC to make that decision.