Spirit Roadshow and TA vote

[bubbers44]

July 23rd according to my former post, talking to one of the MEC reps. It should start a trend hopefully to get everybody getting on track again. With our present white house administration who knows what the future holds. Change, I guess.

 

[ultrarunner]

July 23rd....With our present white house administration who knows what the future holds..

Any wealth you gain in this TA being redistributed, that's what the future holds!

 

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Any wealth you gain in this TA being redistributed, that's what the future holds!

you must be talking about the national political picture. On the Spirit homefront, the inequity remains. We gave all of the gains to the senior Captains, to a narrow group of FO's (to buy their votes) and kept the humongous disparity in the training dept.

Can you believe this? Our Checkairman over ride is more per hour than a first year FO makes for the same hour. First year FO $36. Fifteenth year Captain $175 plus $37.50 override for grand total of $212.50 per hour. And get this, the CA has a higher daily guarantee than a line guy.

Yes, favoritism is alive and well in the Spirit TA.

At least we took care of those greedy FO's who try to fly enough OT to pay for their kids orthodontics.

 

[WayBack]

Feel the ALPO love!
What was the saying Prater coined while working to Spirit pilots to vote in ALPA? "Taking it back"??
I think he meant "take it in the rear".

 

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Feel the ALPO love!
What was the saying Prater coined while working to Spirit pilots to vote in ALPA? "Taking it back"??
I think he meant "take it in the rear".

Spirit was ALPA for ten years before Pratter got elected. Don't blame this on Pratter.

Blame this on a pilot group that elected leaders for the wrong reasons and on leaders who negotiated a contract that: protects the elite and punishes a certain group for being "selfish". "Selfish" being of course a subjective judgment; it is selfish for a junior FO to want to make more than $40K a year, but it is NOT selfish for a senior Capt Checkairman to make more than $200K.

Sounds fair to me:smash:

 

[boomlrd]

Vote No!

 

[bubbers44]

My info is Spirit counts their votes tomorrow. I guess 65%for. What do you think?

 

[PCL_128]

My info is Spirit counts their votes tomorrow. I guess 65%for. What do you think?

I say 70% in favor.

 

[bubbers44]

That would be a landslide in an election vote. Bet you are right.

 

[bubbers44]

HC, Who cares what you make the first year. Nobody in my poverty 750 per month group cared. The next year we were making good pay and loving it. We all retired and are living a good life. We ended up at about what the Spirit guys will make at the end of their contract and that was almost 10 years ago. Think into the future. An Intern doesn't make his bucks until he is the Doctor. That is the way it has always worked.

 

[bubbers44]

For you inflation guys, 10 years ago our captains were making more money than they are now today.

 

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For you inflation guys, 10 years ago our captains were making more money than they are now today.

at least your guys once made big bank. Other than a few ex-EAL guys, no Spirit Captain ever made what you once made. If they vote this TA in, they never will.

 

[CosmoKramer]

57-43----against....

 

[lostplnetairman]

74% with 96% voting. It's over.

 

[likeitis]

74% with 96% voting. It's over.

The Airtran, Cal, Frontier and Ual pilots are screwed now but you got what you wanted.

 

[Beetle007]

The Airtran, Cal, Frontier and Ual pilots are screwed now but you got what you wanted.

You are mistaken.

Airtran (and all other airlines) will now be in a good position to get released now that the NMB is hopefully happy with the outcome of the Spirit release.

If Spirit would have tried to go on a second strike (or back to negotiations), you wouldn't have seen Airtran get released for a very long time.

 

[DonVerita]

The Airtran, Cal, Frontier and Ual pilots are screwed now but you got what you wanted.

Not really.

AirTran, UAL, CAL are all Major airlines. Spirit is a National. Spirit's TA will not have any detrimental effect on these airlines because we're talking apples vs. oranges.

I do agree with the other poster that this will allow the NMB to concentrate now on AirTran and hopefully release them into 30-day cooling off.

 

[boomlrd]

YES voters make me sick! I hope that you get what is coming to you! Get ready for 90 hour lines, double priced health care, anytime reserve, downgrades, etc.

 

[bubbers44]

YES voters make me sick! I hope that you get what is coming to you! Get ready for 90 hour lines, double priced health care, anytime reserve, downgrades, etc.

No voters lost boomird, get over it. Now lets press forward and see if we can make progress with the rest of the pilots trying to finally get a contract despite the RLA hurdles.

 

[Mike man]

No voters lost boomird, get over it. Now lets press forward and see if we can make progress with the rest of the pilots trying to finally get a contract despite the RLA hurdles.

"NO" voters did not loose, and "YES" voters did not win.

I am a proud "NO" vote, and at the very least my vote canceled out a yes vote.

I guess I'll start making my "DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED NO" stickers...if anyone wants one PM me for details.

 

[bubbers44]

MO, at least it gives you something to do. Seems like 74% of the Spirit pilots won't be needing your stickers. Your No vote might make you feel good but it didn't matter. Did you vote for the winner in the last presidential election? I didn't either. See we can still be friends.

 

[redflyer65]

Can Baldanza just start an alter ego carrier down the road? The new DOS+4 payscales won't cost him a dime. We'll see......

I think this management group won.

 

[Mike man]

Can Baldanza just start an alter ego carrier down the road? The new DOS+4 payscales won't cost him a dime. We'll see......

I think this management group won.

our super great scope specifically mentions it is prohibited from starting or acquiring an alter ego carrier...baldanza is not that smart, he will have the Ford & Harrison lawyers figure out ways to avoid the DOS+4 pay rates and they have exactly 4 years to figure it out.

My no vote did matter, and over time it will matter more and more as the yes voters begin to realize the error they made.

 

[tzskipper]

our super great scope specifically mentions it is prohibited from starting or acquiring an alter ego carrier...baldanza is not that smart, he will have the Ford & Harrison lawyers figure out ways to avoid the DOS+4 pay rates and they have exactly 4 years to figure it out.

My no vote did matter, and over time it will matter more and more as the yes voters begin to realize the error they made.

My guess is that you guys will go public (IPO) well before then (DOS+4), allowing management and the hedge funds to cash out, effectively leaving the "new" shareholders holding the bag if the company cannot afford the DOS+4 pay rates.

S

 

[boomlrd]

Funny though, I have been flying with only "NO" voters, can't seem to find "YES" men? Are people already regretting the error of their ways?

 

[jetjock6]

Funny though, I have been flying with only "NO" voters, can't seem to find "YES" men? Are people already regretting the error of their ways?

I was at Comair back during the strike and only found a couple that would own up to voting for that POS contract that we went on strike for too. Funny how that works.
Here's to being sold down the river by ALPA! :beer:

 

[SMcC]

]"NO" voters did not loose, and "YES" voters did not win.[/B]

I am a proud "NO" vote, and at the very least my vote canceled out a yes vote.

I guess I'll start making my "DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED NO" stickers...if anyone wants one PM me for details.

You are correct about those that voted no, or yes. Those that made an educated choice and voted yes or no accordingly won. Those that made their minds up sight unseen lost an opportunity. But either way the vote is over, and we should move ahead into the future without casting blame on each other. We should respect each others choice.

And remember the flaws in current agreement didn't really come to the surface until working under it for a few years.

 

[bubbers44]

You are correct about those that voted no, or yes. Those that made an educated choice and voted yes or no accordingly won. Those that made their minds up sight unseen lost an opportunity. But either way the vote is over, and we should move ahead into the future without casting blame on each other. We should respect each others choice.

And remember the flaws in current agreement didn't really come to the surface until working under it for a few years.

SMcC, you are so right. 74% said it was a good TA for the times. Now that it is settled you need to accept it. Hopefully the yes voters are right.

 

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You are correct about those that voted no, or yes. Those that made an educated choice and voted yes or no accordingly won. Those that made their minds up sight unseen lost an opportunity. But either way the vote is over, and we should move ahead into the future without casting blame on each other. We should respect each others choice.

And remember the flaws in current agreement didn't really come to the surface until working under it for a few years.

Educated Choice? BS!

They made the scared choice. Only ARM and BeetleBailey liked the TA, everyone else was just scared of what might happen if we went back on strike. They took the deal because it was slightly better than current book and way better than going where "no man has gone before".

 

[huncowboy]

Educated Choice? BS!

They made the scared choice. Only ARM and BeetleBailey liked the TA, everyone else was just scared of what might happen if we went back on strike. They took the deal because it was slightly better than current book and way better than going where "no man has gone before".

That right there sums it up. When Art said we risk everything with a NO vote, right there on the conference call you could hear folks farting and crapping in the background.

Here is the score:

2 for ALPA
1 for Spirit Management
0 for Spirit Pilots