Speed Limit under Class Bravo

[PBRstreetgang]

Look, don't go telling me stuff about "I should know where I am at all times" I DO, but when being vectored around PHX in a fighter, I may not have the best Situational Awarness on where the Class B is at every minute. I don't have an autopilot and am in a tight cockpit by myself. It would be UNSAFE for me to have charts all over the canopy while trying to fly the jet around busy airspace. I have had no problems what so ever with PHX controllers and, in fact, have been praised for not being a hassle. I have never had anyone in my squadron have a problem and we fly everywhere in the country.
Again, I'm not saying I am in the right, but my options are limited. I may slow down to 200kts anytime I'm am near class B and will ask my compadres to do the same.
Don't go being condesending and an arse for no reason.

Hey,
US government A/C are public use and are not required to comply with FARs.
FAR definitions 1.1 describe Public use A/C and part 91 defines applicibility. All references are to registered A/C, US military are not registered with the FAA, hence no "N" number, just a ship number. Your organization may require compliance with FARs as internal operational requirement, but you will not get violated by the FAA, your C.O. may violate you for not following your internal ops requirements, but that is a whole different carpet for dancing.
PBR
P.S. what controller is gonna argue with a guy who possibily has a cannon and/or 500lb GBU on hardpoints and the ability to use said thingys? Its an approach facility not a pillbox.

 

[Bjammin]

The question was asked by a guy preparing for a checkride probably in a 172. The answers are geared to a CHECK RIDE you have made it perfectly clear you are a fighter jock and no one is duly impressed so you keep ranting. The question was about a regulation so the guy can pass a check ride. If you give the answers to a DE you have given here you may get a pink slip. It may be out dated, It may be impractical, I may be a pain, but the limit under B is 200. I Was a Blackhawk crew chief in the ARMY and we used to do all kinds of illegal stuff with respect to altitudes and flight path but we, like you were military, the rules do not always apply to military aircraft.

It's so hard trying to point out what I was talking about without soundlike like an "A" hole fighter jock, sorry. It's a catch 22. I truly don't want to be thought of as that. I moved into the airline business because of the "fighter jock" mentality. There is no place for that in any part of the aviation world.



Vector, the mentioned attitiute above is one reasons you have problems. As a military pilot you still need to be aware not all airspace is your "plaything" and respect the others using it, we are all not like that. I apoligize on behalf of all of us and will truly try to spread the word.

The F-18 and other jets are very short on leg length unless it's at altitude. Sometimes unless they get higher they will not make the destination, but if you can't get them there, then so be it. They have no right to complain, I'm sure you would get them higher if you could.
As far as the DP's, a lack of planning on their part should not mean more workload on yours. If you could I would have them hold short, take out the plate, and read it back to you. You should always have the daparture on your kneeboard with the high chart under it.
Hope this helps, and thanks for your support, I know ATC can be a thankless job, I thank you.

 

[YGBSM]

It's so hard trying to point out what I was talking about without soundlike like an "A" hole fighter jock, sorry. It's a catch 22. I truly don't want to be thought of as that. I moved into the airline business because of the "fighter jock" mentality. There is no place for that in any part of the aviation world.

Vector, the mentioned attitiute above is one reasons you have problems. As a military pilot you still need to be aware not all airspace is your "plaything" and respect the others using it, we are all not like that. I apoligize on behalf of all of us and will truly try to spread the word.

The F-18 and other jets are very short on leg length unless it's at altitude. Sometimes unless they get higher they will not make the destination, but if you can't get them there, then so be it. They have no right to complain, I'm sure you would get them higher if you could.
As far as the DP's, a lack of planning on their part should not mean more workload on yours. If you could I would have them hold short, take out the plate, and read it back to you. You should always have the daparture on your kneeboard with the high chart under it.
Hope this helps, and thanks for your support, I know ATC can be a thankless job, I thank you.

I truly hate to be the one to break this to you, but if you want to avoid sounding like an A-hole, your best course of action at this point would be to shut your pie hole. And since neither the EA-6, the T-2, or the T-45 are fighters, it would be hard to sound like a fighter jock, so I'd quit worrying about that.
For those of us who fly fighters and don't have the problems with positional awareness you're describing, can you stop defending us now please? You are not educating anyone with your knowledge of TACAN only ops, and you may not be embarrassing yourself, but I am embarrassed for you. Did you move to the airline industry because the bad men with the fighter pilot mentality nicknamed you Magellan?
There may be a reason you had to go to Hong Kong to get an airline job. Yes, technical interview, very demanding and so forth, whatever. Good luck with that.

Cheers! Stiff upper lip and all that.

 

[FracCapt]

or 240 kts passing the LOM...

What's wrong with that? Assuming it's a class B, that is...

 

[Daveman]

Wow...this has gone on a lot longer than I thought it would...

-mini

You know the answer to your question now, I presume.

 

[YGBSM]

I just read all your posts. You are truly nothing but a flaimbaiter and offer nothing but entertainment on this thing. Do you even fly? What good are you? Climb in a hole somewhere or just keep posting crap, either way your credibility is shot with me.

Don't PM me, keep impressin' me in public.