Southwest's new plan to screw Airtran pilots

[PCL_128]

PS I am sure I am an idiot , but I bet I make over 3x what you do.

I swear, everyone at SWA must have 2-inch dicks. I can't think of any other reason that all of you would constantly talk about your pay checks and W2s. Overcompensate much?

 

[General Lee]

No, we chose between this deal and non-integration/no job. Big difference. I guess from your perfect little bubble you can't see that. I only hope your job is threatened one day so you can see another perspective. I hope you have to chose between a bad deal and no job when you have a wife and kids counting your salary. You may have been threatened with arbitration(fairness) but we were threatened with unemployment.

The Corndogs think 83% of you voted for it because you "liked" the deal. Most of them on here have their heads way up their own rear ends.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

No, you are the only idiot on this board working for an airline whose pilots accept non union labor outsourcing their jobs bringing down the entire profession. Be proud idiot. How do you get a medical every year with such brain damage? Fall off your big wheel not too long ago? These concepts are so basic a retard could understand not only that there isn't any mistreatment (what a freakin joke) or that some transitions take time to complete. Only Delta accepts b-scales and outsourced non union labor. A retarded hypocrite is above you.

They could have gone to arbitration. That was also agreed upon by both unions. OH! I know. There was a gun to their head otherwise. Another freakin stupid idea.

ABSOLUTELY proud to be a CORNDOG. Call me anything you want. The 15,000 dollar monthly checks still passes.

Peace out Five Zeros.

Thanks Corndork. Wow, you're paid well, for now. Your Boss may feel like payback during upcoming talks, and you know that. If that happens, you'll be left with multiple leg days in that 737-300, and lower pay than today. Then, 1/3 of your group will still be unhappy because of a bunch of cocky jack arses like yourself. And you don't think the AT guys felt pressured? Really? Wow, at least you're proud of what you are. Everyone can now see it too. I luv it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[slaquer5]

I swear, everyone at SWA must have 2-inch dicks. I can't think of any other reason that all of you would constantly talk about your pay checks and W2s. Overcompensate much?

Pretty funny statement coming from a fat slob that can not even see his feet.

 

[redflyer65]

Thanks Corndork. Wow, you're paid well, for now. Your Boss may feel like payback during upcoming talks, and you know that. If that happens, you'll be left with multiple leg days in that 737-300, and lower pay than today. Then, 1/3 of your group will still be unhappy because of a bunch of cocky jack arses like yourself. And you don't think the AT guys felt pressured? Really? Wow, at least you're proud of what you are. Everyone can now see it too. I luv it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

This is what I like about the General. He's trying to refute comments made about Delta but just slings mud at SW instead of actually debating the issues the guy brought up. THEN tells us it loves debating. In what world is that a debate?

RF

 

[redflyer65]

I swear, everyone at SWA must have 2-inch dicks. I can't think of any other reason that all of you would constantly talk about your pay checks and W2s. Overcompensate much?

This is the exact reason you knew any merger with SW wouldn't go well. A combination of..

A more senior pilot group.
Non~ ALPA carrier
and large differences in QOL and yes..PAY.


But instead of taking the first deal, you basically tried to stonewall for arbitration while telling your members that the SW pay would be coming anyway. Horrible decision.

 

[PCL_128]

This is the exact reason you knew any merger with SW wouldn't go well.

No, I knew a merger with SWA wouldn't go well for any carrier because SWAPA and its members are delusional a-holes. Best case scenario is for an arbitrated outcome that results in you guys crying like little babies and disrupting the carrier to show your displeasure. Worst case scenario is what happened to us: capitulation.

 

[SWAdude]

This is what I like about the General. He's trying to refute comments made about Delta but just slings mud at SW instead of actually debating the issues the guy brought up. THEN tells us it loves debating. In what world is that a debate?

RF

LOL!! Spot on!!

And the reason for my temporary insanity. I purposely took his style of "debate". And rolled it over on him. Unfortunately Lear70 and him are aligned so Lear took some friendly fire. Sorry about that Lear. I just needed to prove that Lee just stirs the pot.

Lear70 you did get a bad deal but you think the bad deal is the SLI and its not. It is your company(AT) selling you out. I don't think you got a good deal with the SLI either. That is not to say you got a bad deal either. From our perspective it is exactly the same. Both of our 83% votes were based on the same "this is the best for our respective groups that we are going to get".

Lee is only acting like he has your back to stir the pot when he really is just using you. He really does not care about this SLI. He is just overwhelmed by hate and using you for his neurotic agenda. You must see this also. Don't you?

There are plenty of olive branches coming your way, but if you feel like we are currently mistreating you as Lee insinuates, I don't expect you to grab one. After seven airlines I can tell you this by far the best place I have ever worked. Mainly because we do a great job weeding out personalities like Lee. Nothing is 100% but our people department does a great job.

Be excited, I am sure you are getting alot of positive feedback from those that have already come over.

 

[General Lee]

Pretty funny statement coming from a fat slob that can not even see his feet.

Weren't you that fat, bald SWA Capt on the "People's Court" commercial saying "SWA would NEVER do that!"



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWAdude]

No, I knew a merger with SWA wouldn't go well for any carrier because SWAPA and its members are delusional a-holes. Best case scenario is for an arbitrated outcome that results in you guys crying like little babies and disrupting the carrier to show your displeasure. Worst case scenario is what happened to us: capitulation.

If you have believed this for a time that started well before SWA purchased Airtran, you will always have a difficult time if you decide to work here.

Its too bad your hate for SWA is clouding your judgement also.

 

[General Lee]

This is what I like about the General. He's trying to refute comments made about Delta but just slings mud at SW instead of actually debating the issues the guy brought up. THEN tells us it loves debating. In what world is that a debate?

RF

Red,

I throw out there why the AT guys are upset, and what injustices SWAPA continues to heap on then (B-scale, etc), and then I hope one of you Corndogs will give any justification, or really just debate the issue. Instead, you guys take the defensive, tell me I shouldn't get involved (on an industry web board), and can only say that 83% of the AT pilots voted in favor of that 2nd deal, so they must be overjoyed. That's all you have to debate with. Then I hear hoot and hollering that "I bring home $15K checks so who cares, I'm proud to be a Corndog! Yeeeeehaw!" Talk about a group that seems totally lost. You guys just don't understand.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

LOL!! Spot on!!

And the reason for my temporary insanity. I purposely took his style of "debate". And rolled it over on him. Unfortunately Lear70 and him are aligned so Lear took some friendly fire. Sorry about that Lear. I just needed to prove that Lee just stirs the pot.

Lear70 you did get a bad deal but you think the bad deal is the SLI and its not. It is your company(AT) selling you out. I don't think you got a good deal with the SLI either. That is not to say you got a bad deal either. From our perspective it is exactly the same. Both of our 83% votes were based on the same "this is the best for our respective groups that we are going to get".

Lee is only acting like he has your back to stir the pot when he really is just using you. He really does not care about this SLI. He is just overwhelmed by hate and using you for his neurotic agenda. You must see this also. Don't you?

There are plenty of olive branches coming your way, but if you feel like we are currently mistreating you as Lee insinuates, I don't expect you to grab one. After seven airlines I can tell you this by far the best place I have ever worked. Mainly because we do a great job weeding out personalities like Lee. Nothing is 100% but our people department does a great job.

Be excited, I am sure you are getting alot of positive feedback from those that have already come over.

Total bunk. Notice I also give strong opinions in favor of other "persecuted" groups, like the USAir West pilots. I think the Easties pulled one over on the Westies and they, like you guys on FI, also see nothing wrong with their actions. It is beyond me to think that one group, usually larger, could treat their "brothers and sisters" so poorly, even while working at the same company. I understand SLIs can be contentious, I went through one, and it wasn't fun. But some Corndogs and Easties have continued to go overboard, and that is what I continue to try to point out. And btw, you never actually debate the issues, you only sidestep them.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWAdude]

I throw out there why the AT guys are upset, and what injustices SWAPA continues to heap on then (B-scale, etc), and then I hope one of you Corndogs will give any justification, or really just debate the issue.

We have tried but you sling insults that many of us don't want to be a part of.

Instead, you guys take the defensive, tell me I shouldn't get involved (on an industry web board),

Because of your questionable tenacity towards this subject combined with your many years of known dislike of SWA we quickly grow tired with someone that does not have any immediate interests in our situation. It is unique and will not affect you or this industries future. Although you think different you have beat this to death.

and can only say that 83% of the AT pilots voted in favor of that 2nd deal, so they must be overjoyed.

Not true. I can not recall anyone saying that the AT pilots are "overjoyed" or its equal on this board.

That's all you have to debate with.

Equally as untrue. And as you always say, prove it?

Then I hear hoot and hollering that "I bring home $15K checks so who cares, I'm proud to be a Corndog! Yeeeeehaw!"

Interestingly I was just to act like you with your six legs to Lubbock and one leg to Paris talk. Comes off pretty bad now doesn't it?

Talk about a group that seems totally lost. You guys just don't understand.

LOL!! OK, sure, we are lost. And we just don't understand. And thats how you will think until we collectively all say, General Lee is right!!

 

[SWAdude]

Total bunk. Notice I also give strong opinions against other "persecuted" groups, like the USAir West pilots. I think the Easties pulled one over on the Westies and they, like you guys on FI, also see nothing wrong with their actions. It is beyond me to think that one group, usually larger, could treat their "brothers and sisters" so poorly, even while working at the same company. I understand SLIs can be contentious, I went through one, and it wasn't fun. But some Corndogs and Easties have continued to go overboard, and that is what I continue to try to point out. And btw, you never actually debate the issues, you only sidestep them.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Case in point. We all debate the issues with you Lee. We just don't agree with you and you take that not debating. What good is it to continue with someone that won't play fair but instead sling insults?

Fine, you think we are like Easties. We don't look at it that way and neither do many on the AT side. No matter how much time out of your life you donate to this subject you are not going to change the way anyone of us feel.

 

[General Lee]

We have tried but you sling insults that many of us don't want to be a part of.





Because of your questionable tenacity towards this subject combined with your many years of known dislike of SWA we quickly grow tired with someone that does not have any immediate interests in our situation. It is unique and will not affect you or this industries future. Although you think different you have beat this to death.




Not true. I can not recall anyone saying that the AT pilots are "overjoyed" or its equal on this board.





Equally as untrue. And as you always say, prove it?



Interestingly I was just to act like you with your six legs to Lubbock and one leg to Paris talk. Comes off pretty bad now doesn't it?



LOL!! OK, sure, we are lost. And we just don't understand. And thats how you will think until we collectively all say, General Lee is right!!

Again, many of your guys continually bring up the 83% number as to why the AT guys should be happy, instead if understanding why they voted that way. Ask some of them, they will tell you.

As far as my personal "hatred" of SWA, that is simply not true. I say all of the time that I think SWA is a good company overall, with good pay. I used to think the relations with management were enviable, until the AT purchase. Then I watched how management and SWAPA handled the merger talks (if you can call them that) and became a lot less impressed. Throw in the B scale and the unions seemingly lack of intention to speak out about keeping groups seperate (pay and operations) for a couple more years (unity?), and it just amplifies the injustice. All I have ever stated was I would never want to do your type of flying. The pay is nice, but your flying doesn't interest me. That usually sends your group into a rage, demanding to know why someone wouldn't want exactly what you have.


So, keep trying to not see the total picture with the AT guys, and stay in the dark about how bad this makes a lot of you guys look on FI. You probably just don't care, which seems prevalent amongst your group here.



Bye Bye---General Lee