Southwest's Kelleher, Barrett stepping down in '08

[capt. megadeth]

I'm standing by for you to pinch mine! Come on mega, any day now!!

Baby....first ya gotta make sure it's tight, cuz if it ain't tight, it ain't right. At least that's what I tell my honey the human sacrifice as I am making him do squats. :laugh:

 

[instructordude]

Ok, at the risk of being struck by lightning right now, I will say that if I ever have to go inside a Catholic church again in my life, it will be too soon.......BUT.....BUT.....THIS IS F***ING STUPID!!!! Gawd! Who cares if someone wears a cross on the outside of their uniform? I wouldn't care if she read a bible either. I mean, look at the kind of crap we read in the cockpit. As long as she is not trying to convert anyone and does her job.....WHO GIVES A FLYING F***? People's priorities are seriously screwed up.

Uh....you're not suppose to read in the cockpit. The Feds don't like this. Be careful.

 

[instructordude]

You would probably have to get on a step stool for her to pinch your arse.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[capt. megadeth]

Uh....you're not suppose to read in the cockpit. The Feds don't like this. Be careful.

Ok, thanks for the advice.

 

[Headfake14]

...she was reading the POH and ADs...

we all do that, uh, right?

 

[instructordude]

...she was reading the POH and ADs...

we all do that, uh, right?

Or Jeppesens.

 

[CA Calypso]

Uh....you're not suppose to read in the cockpit. The Feds don't like this. Be careful.

Are you serious?

 

[LUVChild]

About 10 years ago, or so, SWA caught a rash of sh!t over a FA that was wearing a crucifix outside of her uniform and was reading a bible on the jumpseat. I can't remember if she was fired or threatened with it. I made the news and SWA had to change their uniform policy as a result of all the bad press. No arm-wrestling with Jesus PR stunts were required.

That's actually not the entire story.

As I remember and was told by some friends, she was also preaching to people on the jumpseat and trying to convert them, to the point that many were becoming tired of listening to her and her apparently judgmental version of Christianity (as my FA friends told me). Her co-workers complained about her behavior. When you're on a jumpseat with somebody, you have something of a captive audience, so despite repeated requests, this lady continued her preaching from the jumpseat. Quite frankly, I would have found it offensive and annoying as well.

I don't know the outcome, but as usual, the press only got the story half right. Be careful before you go rushing to judgment. SWA can't and won't tell the whole story to the press since it involves employee disciplinary issues. So they're left to look like the bad guys, while this FA whines that she's being targeted for her religious beliefs. Just ain't so.

 

[LUVChild]

Have heard the same story from a couple of friends there. She is a BUZZ-KILL...............

Maybe she can dictate...........nah nevermind....lol

LOL. If you guys think SWA is overly PC, then I'd suggest you go work a day in corporate America. You'd realize that SWA is actually pretty laid back compared to most large companies.

I don't like excessively PC policies, either, but don't go blaming them on Colleen. She's just watching out for your profitsharing by making sure the company doesn't get themselves sued. And after several Supreme Court rulings over the past 15 or so years, it's easier than ever for a company to be sued by an employee who claims that the company cultivated or allowed an environment of harassment and discrimination to exist.

I respect you, Gup, but check your facts on this one. The finger shouldn't be pointed at Colleen.

 

[HalinTexas]

That's actually not the entire story.

As I remember and was told by some friends, she was also preaching to people on the jumpseat and trying to convert them, to the point that many were becoming tired of listening to her and her apparently judgmental version of Christianity (as my FA friends told me). Her co-workers complained about her behavior. When you're on a jumpseat with somebody, you have something of a captive audience, so despite repeated requests, this lady continued her preaching from the jumpseat. Quite frankly, I would have found it offensive and annoying as well.

I don't know the outcome, but as usual, the press only got the story half right. Be careful before you go rushing to judgment. SWA can't and won't tell the whole story to the press since it involves employee disciplinary issues. So they're left to look like the bad guys, while this FA whines that she's being targeted for her religious beliefs. Just ain't so.

Where do you draw the line, then? What if she was praying? What if she was asked "whatcha readin?" What if an FA makes a comment about Bush, the war, the poor choices of beer on SWA? Would they discipline her equally? At all? This kind of stuff happens everywhere. How many times have you heard someone pull the "race card" to save their job? I've heard it several times. Never hear about that in the press, do you?

I grant you the press never gets it 99% right, but SWA has an image as the "fun loving" airline. You'd think they would do what's necessary to spin this in their favor.

 

[instructordude]

Are you serious?

Somewhat. We get paid to fly by the book not by the seat of our pants or paper!

 

[LUVChild]

Where do you draw the line, then? What if she was praying? What if she was asked "whatcha readin?" What if an FA makes a comment about Bush, the war, the poor choices of beer on SWA? Would they discipline her equally? At all? This kind of stuff happens everywhere. How many times have you heard someone pull the "race card" to save their job? I've heard it several times. Never hear about that in the press, do you?

I grant you the press never gets it 99% right, but SWA has an image as the "fun loving" airline. You'd think they would do what's necessary to spin this in their favor.

I couldn't tell you exactly where the line is drawn, although I would venture a guess that it's more the courts' decision than it is SWA's.

Comments on Bush, the war, and poor choices of beer are not covered by harassment and discrimination laws. Religion, however, is. If somebody is sitting on the jumpseat and keeps trying to sell you their brand of Christianity, and you politely decline, then you should be allowed to work in an environment where that person doesn't continue to "harass" you due to your religious beliefs.

And yes, I've seen the race card played, too. I'm not sure what that has to do with this situation. However, the point of my post was to point out that there was more to the story than what you read in the newspaper. Don't expect SWA to defend themselves to the press in those situations - a company can be legally liable if they share information on an employee investigation or discipline, unless it is relevant to the investigation. An employee, however, can go and say
whatever he/she wants to the press, with virtually no repercussions.

It sucks, but that's the way it is.

Anyway, I apologize, as I've gotten this conversation off track. Talk amongst yourselves. :0

 

[canyonblue]

LOL. If you guys think SWA is overly PC, ....................

You would if you were a pilot at SWA. Gup's right, then again, he is a pilot at SWA.

 

[Jmoney]

Say What?

Somewhat. We get paid to fly by the book not by the seat of our pants or paper!

I am still trying to figure this one out....I understand the "flying by the seat of our pants" stupid cliche, but what the hell has paper got to do with anything? Are we now flying by the paper? Maybe by the paper in our pants? Maybe instructordude pooped his pants and he can't find some paper?

-Confusing-please don't try to mix cliches, instructordude, that is work better reserved for "smart guys."

 

[SonicPig]

Mega. Sexual harassment is not only preferred but I'll give bonus points for style.

Racer. Tell you what. Next time a pilot is telling a dirty joke on an overnight and you get offended, how about you say something so we know where the line is instead of running to Colleen and getting the pilot suspended for a few weeks? OK?

There is no ownership of responsibility at this airline. If you are offended at the workplace, the responsibility to SPEAK UP should be one you so that the offending person knows he/she is out of line or at least know where your boundries are. Or you could simply remove yourself from the situation.

I think it's a load for someone to be so out of line as to possibly get fired for asking a question such as.......

1. so are you married?
2. what church do you go to?
3. is that your boyfriend/girlfriend?
4. hey did you hear the one about the hooker and the preacher?

You get my point.

Gup

It's all airlines Gup.

The Pig.