Southwest to San Juan late 2010 or 2011...

[OurMoney1]

http://www.caribbeanbusinesspr.com/news02.php?nw_id=1978&ct_id=0

Looks like Gary is developing a back up plan to his back up plan to his back up plan. So are we gonna see Herb Turds descending into Old San Juan? What'da boys think, how fast can they get over water cert., is this myth, legend, or just the ghost of a Jack Daniels bottle rolling through headquarters smoking a cigarette story.

Check it out the cancer spreads....

 

[samballs]

Gen Lee will post u guys will take years to learn to fly intl., yet all DCI carriers learn to do intl. in the 3 months notice DL gives them. Over water does not take long

 

[crxpilot]

You dont need overwater certification to fly to San Juan.

 

[OurMoney1]

You dont need overwater certification to fly to San Juan.

I may just fly boxes but there are half a dozen Atlantic routes off the East Coast that dump you in San Juan. I'd agree coming off of the Florida coast you dont need overwater cert however anything that coasts you out of the BOS and or BWI area requires it.

 

[Beetle007]

Which of the following items does Southwest currently have or not have?

1. A life vest with a survivor locator light for each occupant of the airplane.

2. Life rafts able to accomodate all occupants on the airplane

3. Pyrotechnic signaling device for each life raft

4. One ELT device

5. A survival kit for each life raft


You need the above items to go more than 50 miles from a shoreline. I know some airlines try to fly routes that stay within 50 miles of a shoreline from the U.S. to Puerto Rico.

 

[njcapt]

I believe that SWA has OPSPEC authority to operate on Q100 in the northern gulf with just life vests. ATA had the same thing for their 737's without rafts. I seriously doubt they would launch overwater ops with Class II navigation, so the normal routes (including the T routes) from Florida to SJU ought to be acceptable with this authority.

 

[gt1900]

Which of the following items does Southwest currently have or not have?

1. A life vest with a survivor locator light for each occupant of the airplane.

2. Life rafts able to accomodate all occupants on the airplane

3. Pyrotechnic signaling device for each life raft

4. One ELT device

5. A survival kit for each life raft


You need the above items to go more than 50 miles from a shoreline. I know some airlines try to fly routes that stay within 50 miles of a shoreline from the U.S. to Puerto Rico.

You don't need a life raft to go past 50 miles. AAI doesn't have them (the door slides are not life rafts) and we can go to 162 miles. There was rumor of installing life rafts for CUN so we could more direct, but haven't heard anything lately!

 

[firstthird]

SWA goes to 162 also.

 

[clickclickboom]

It used to be called etops now it is erops : Engines Run Or People Swim

Blue is currently obtaining this certification

 

[Mike man]

SWA uses WATRS from FL to points north of ILM. In all reality is SJU from MCO really over water? (is it more than 50NM from an airport?)

 

[Beetle007]

Where does the 162 miles come from? Is it an Ops spec that gives relief from FAR 121.339?

FAR 121.339 requires a life raft for "extended overwater operations".

Extended over-water operation means--
(1) With respect to aircraft other than helicopters, an operation over water at a horizontal distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shoreline;

 

[njcapt]

Where does the 162 miles come from? Is it an Ops spec that gives relief from FAR 121.339?

Yep. Its common relief.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Gen Lee will post u guys will take years to learn to fly intl., yet all DCI carriers learn to do intl. in the 3 months notice DL gives them. Over water does not take long

Here's what I had to put up with on an all-nighter for 6 hours over Brazil a couple of years ago. I think it was a ATL-Sao Paulo(GRU) flight right near our MIA-GRU flight:

bueNNNNOOSS diAAASS (Manuas/Brasila/Sau Paulo) Center, Delta 1234 is checkin' on wit' ya' at FLXYZ, getting a little light ripples here, do you have any ride reports down da' road?" The response was usually silence until the third try.

I think it's "Bom Dia" not Buenos Dias

Then there was another large airline based in TX, not DFW , who called Bogota Center "baGOTTA Control" every time.

Always a laugh with newbies. :laugh:

 

[alpine1989]

Where does the 162 miles come from? Is it an Ops spec that gives relief from FAR 121.339?

FAR 121.339 requires a life raft for "extended overwater operations".

Extended over-water operation means--
(1) With respect to aircraft other than helicopters, an operation over water at a horizontal distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shoreline;

OPSPEC A013 Extended overwater turbojet operations without required emergency equipment.

 

[Beetle007]

OPSPEC A013 Extended overwater turbojet operations without required emergency equipment.

Thanks! I have never flown for an airline that didn't have rafts so i have never seen that Ops Spec.

 

[General Lee]

Gen Lee will post u guys will take years to learn to fly intl., yet all DCI carriers learn to do intl. in the 3 months notice DL gives them. Over water does not take long

CRXpilot is correct. You are in radar contact all the way to SJU, and that means the SWA 737-300s won't get totally lost out there. I am pretty sure the SWA guys will get the hang of it fairly quick, and the controllers all speak English, which will make it easier.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Golden Falcon]

At least it seems Delta has now learned how to land at the correct airport in Florida after messing it up.....twice!!

 

[johnsonrod]

CRXpilot is correct. You are in radar contact all the way to SJU, and that means the SWA 737-300s won't get totally lost out there. I am pretty sure the SWA guys will get the hang of it fairly quick, and the controllers all speak English, which will make it easier.


Bye Bye--General Lee

But will the SWA pilots freak out when they look down and not see land below them? That blue stuff is ocean... And please don't land in Cuba.

Just joking...

 

[Mike man]

Where does the 162 miles come from?

My understanding is that the 162 mile restriction has something to do with Class I and Class II navigation...less than 162NM from a nav aid is Class I.

 

[firstthird]

I think it has to do with rafts and life preservers. we still don't have rafts but added some under the seat yellow life preservers and now we can go to 162. our navigation has been the same.

 

[Chief Pilot]

It used to be called etops now it is erops : Engines Run Or People Swim

Blue is currently obtaining this certification

Still called ETOPS: Engines Turn Or People Swim.

 

[:-)]

SWA needs to do Nassau. Can you imagine this?

SWA: Pindling twr, SWA 1 ready at holding position 1 runway 14.

Pindling Twr: Roger SWA, hold short Navajo on ten mile final.

SWA: Pindling twr, SWA 1 final traffic in sight, we can beat them.

Pindling TWR: Roger SWA, hold short, Banderantie traffic departing downfield.

SWA: Pindling Twr, SWA 1, what's our sequence?

Pindling Twr: SWA 1 number three.

SWA: Pindling Twr, where's our traffic?

Pindling Twr: SWA two B1900's and an Islander awaiting intersection takeoff. BamasAir Dash8 on seven mile final.

(ten mins pass during which numerous Piper Twins, BamasAir Dash's, and assorted island hoppers land and depart)

SWA: Pindling Twr, SWA 1, ready at the end.

Pindling Twr: Roger SWA, hold short BamasAir 737 fifteen mile final, then we let you go.

no SWA pilots were hurt in the making of this parody. just their sense of importance. Just like the rest of us who think that the islanders give a flip about our mainland rankings.

Pindling, My favorite Airport name Lyndon Pindling. Just rolls off your tongue.

 

[Headfake14]

It used to be called etops now it is erops : Engines Run Or People Swim

Blue is currently obtaining this certification

click, we are working on ETOPS? If so, both fleet types? What time length. It'd be nice to get rid of the silly section of airspace in the atlantic we (190) have to avoid since we have a 20Kt slower MMO. Limits three L### routes we can't do.

 

[aewanabe]

I don't know, lately with the rash of Embraerisms I'd rather be closer to shore, not farther....