Southwest to Newark!

[General Lee]

That's all you got? I sound like a girl?

You didn't refute even one of my points. The reason.. because you know its all true. The legacies don't care about their passengers, and it shows! (wasn't that an old Delta ad?)

Got news for you General, the domestic lines at Delta blow. I have buds over there that constantly complain about the non-productivity..its throughout the lines.

$300,000 for an FO at SW? Yea, it can be done. What you continue to not understand is the productivity we have. We don't have those ALPO imposed caps you have over there..

You see its about choices, you can fly as much or as little as you'd like. Want to spend alot of time at home? Bid down, but your high hourly rate is going to still bring in a nice paycheck (something you don't understand).

Want to get max pay? Drop your regular flying and pick up at 1.5 or 2.0X pay. The past two months I've been at 120+ credits, and thats not even working hard. I still have vacation coming up as well. That kind of credit puts me in the 140k per year range...and I'm a new hire!

Gotta go General, just finished my two legs today (got one tomorrow) and hitting the free happy hour. Enjoy your 750+ RJ's and the food in Gabon or wherever it is you overnight in Africa. Maybe it's best you don't go off the compound over there..not so safe. (Buds mentioned that too..)

All you can talk about is a landing? Pretty weak. You really don't have any arguements to stand on, and the more you post, the more that is evident.

This is all comparing apples to oranges anyway. We are in a different league, with different types of passengers. You guys have one fleet, doing multiple stops per day across the country. It is what you do. What makes you mad is that some people DON'T want to do what you do. You are paid well for the moment, but the lack of variety in plane types, trips, layovers, just doesn't make every pilot want to be a corndog. It is tough for you to admit it, but it is true. And, comparing employees? You don't have surly ones? All of yours are super nice? Come on now, only in your commercials. And you only have 2 legs today and 1 tomorrow? Gimme a break----I am calling a BS on that one. I would say VERY FEW of your trips are like that. And, you said what about DL's domestic schedules? DL has a variety of trips that make everyone fairly happy. One day turns, 2 days, 3 days, up to 12 days (and then 18 off). Africa, btw, is very junior. Your buds must be too, and if they don't like it they can bid something smaller and stay trapped in the States just like you. Again, if you don't like a particular plane or the trips for that plane, YOU CAN BID OFF. What a concept you don't understand. You are stuck forever flying in and out of ELP and ISP. Get used to it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I bet you your screen name that your pay will not equal ours in 2 yrs from today. Deal? Who's foolish? Back your sh!t up. No more General Lee if if the pay is not equal, no more Whataburger if it is! What do you say?

I go to work to rest. I don't care if my Coors is in LBB or SAN or TPA. I got 36 days off the last two months without using vacation. Vacation with my family in my own house every month. All the family outings, t-ball games and cook-outs that I can handle. Cool concept huh?

Bet me my what? My screen name? Ahhhh okay? First off, are you a 12 year FO at SWA? Which year are you? Then look at the payscales again. Are we equal? I do overtime etc too.

And you go to work to REST? Wrong airline choice then. Wow did you screw that up. Wouldn't you rather fly somewhere tropical in ONE leg and then have 24 hours on a beach outside the contiguous 48, like Hawaii or in the Caribbean? Oh, wait, you would rather work 6 legs to get to CRP so you can wade around in oily water.......???? No bet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Wow, what a load. And what coast would you be hugging GL ?? There is an area which is 120 all the way across so you don't always need to be 180 to Europe. And that ETOPS check...do you know what is on that ?? Which chip detector gets checked eastbound ?? Or is that a maintenance function like everyone else that has ETOPS? Do you check your own ETOPS alternate weather or do you just take the dispatchers word for that too. SATCOM oceanic clearance and position reports make oceanic flying a piece of cake these days, unless you don't have those tools. It used to be something to go international...now not so much. Oh yea, sundaes over Iceland....really ?, maybe you were blue spruce because something was broken...

Former International Supplemental Driver

Not every plane has CPDLC. And when you don't have the APU, you can't fly on a regular track that has been set up for everyone else, which means MORE money being used to fly a random route closer to a shore (KEF, etc). It may be more favorable to fly on a seperate track, but you can't when you don't have that APU. That is why it RARELY happens. Get it? Did you fly with a lot of broken planes when you were flying your "INTL Supplemental??" That's just great for you. Were you flying Rich International DC8s? I bet you were...... Must have been FUN....???? And honestly, the sudaes are great.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

And you go to work to REST? Wrong airline choice then. Wow did you screw that up. Wouldn't you rather fly somewhere tropical in ONE leg and then have 24 hours on a beach outside the contiguous 48, like Hawaii or in the Caribbean? Oh, wait, you would rather work 6 legs to get to CRP so you can wade around in oily water.......???? No bet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

How many days have you spent as a line pilot at SWA? Commenting on our QOL is the same as a Private Pilot on CNN commenting on an airline crash. You don't know your ass from you elbow.

24 hrs on a beach? Waste of a day. Between screwing with your body clock and melanoma from your Tropical trips, the age 65 rule should not be a problem for you. Fly a highly efficient trip and have those 24 at home, yes.

Have not flown more than 3 legs in one day since May.

 

[johnsonrod]

How many days have you spent as a line pilot at SWA? Commenting on our QOL is the same as a Private Pilot on CNN commenting on an airline crash. You don't know your ass from you elbow.

24 hrs on a beach? Waste of a day. Between screwing with your body clock and melanoma from your Tropical trips, the age 65 rule should not be a problem for you. Fly a highly efficient trip and have those 24 at home, yes.

Have not flown more than 3 legs in one day since May.

Sorry but i would rather be on a tropical beach for 24 hours than in any Texas Podunk town! Gen lee wins on that one. I have been flying my e145 for years now and am Very bored. There is no way i Want to fly one plane for the rest of my career. Boring!

 

[jbDC9]

So, I've wasted a few minutes on this thread and the one thing I get from it is that Gen Lee seems to be a gigantic, egotistical flaming dooshbag who really, really hates SWA and really, really loves DL international flying because it's just soooo cool and feeds his huge ego. Does that about cover it?

Gen Lee, we get it. You don't like SWA. You can't understand why someone might actually like flying for SWA. You think that every pilot out there should be as cool as you and fly DL international stuff. Fine. But for pete's sake, can't you just leave it alone already? Stop hijacking each and every SWA thread and turning into a ELP/LBB bashfest. You keep regurgitating the same tired crap over and over and over and over and over again... it just makes you look pathetic and ridiculous.

 

[StopNTSing]

For the millionth time, please stop feeding the troll, people.

 

[njcapt]

Just had a jumpseater that worked at ATA for many, many years before ATA's shutdown. He said he tought the Long Range Nav and ETOPS class. He said that due to Delta's unusually high number of track busts, and ATA's zero track busts, that Delta had ATA teach them the proper way to cross the pond.

All true. Delta sent a couple of their training department guys to IND to audit an ATA Nav School class back around 2000. ATA had a nearly zero GNE rate using INS and VLF/Omega equipment, while Delta could be seen on a frequent basis leaving contrails about 30 degrees off the NAT tracks.

 

[GuppyWN]

You guys are working too hard. You can't get lost between Dallas and Lubbock. Point her west on a section line for an hour and land. Well, land after flailing to get down cause were too busy goofing off - but I digress.

Gup

 

[Jetjockey]

Yeah, but who's watch is bigger???

 

[Quimby]

Yeah, but who's watch is bigger???

GL's. Along with his sans a belt waist line due to excess sundae consumption.

 

[mt2]

Not every plane has CPDLC. And when you don't have the APU, you can't fly on a regular track that has been set up for everyone else, which means MORE money being used to fly a random route closer to a shore (KEF, etc). It may be more favorable to fly on a seperate track, but you can't when you don't have that APU. That is why it RARELY happens. Get it? Did you fly with a lot of broken planes when you were flying your "INTL Supplemental??" That's just great for you. Were you flying Rich International DC8s? I bet you were...... Must have been FUN....???? And honestly, the sudaes are great.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Uh, right....

Now let's be clear GL -- there is no restriction on being on the NAT system with an APU inop. Not sure what it is you're flying but if it's the 300ER then you are OK (if using a Boeing MEL) except beyond 120 ETOPS. Again, there is an area across the Atlantic where 120 is possible and it includes the area where the tracks are normally constructed. So, as long as you have your HMG you CAN fly the tracks if you remain 120. Maybe you should re-read the Orientation chart or have paid better attention to the Nav class designed by that Int. Supplemental carrier ATA. And no, I didn't fly for Rich nor did I fly a lot of broken equipment across the pond. What I did do was listen to a lot of those old Supplemental Captains -- those guys knew there sh1te about crossing the pond and having a good time. And yes, the airline I worked for then was synonymous with fun on layovers, I wouldn't trade those days for a gazillion sundaes.

 

[Skybus]

For the millionth time, please stop feeding the troll, people.

Please folks can you give it a rest with this fool. If everybody would just ignore this idiot, you may find something useful. I get tired of scrolling through his 14K pieces of garbage. IGNORE the Troll.

 

[jbDC9]

Please folks can you give it a rest with this fool. If everybody would just ignore this idiot, you may find something useful. I get tired of scrolling through his 14K pieces of garbage. IGNORE the Troll.

True, true, I should know better than to vent on him, but he's just such an arrogant, egomaniacal blowhard... reading his drivel just makes me want to puke. I'll try and ignore the troll.

 

[mitch1209]

Dear General
As you can see I never post in FI. While I sit in my hooch on day 4 of a 60 day rotation in the desert, I want to thank you for the several minutes of mild laughter you have provided me here. Your errors and so egregious that they are quite funny. You are completely clueless regarding what it's like to work at SWA. You are also terribly ignorant and misguided regarding how we are paid for the work we do.... I'm serious about this. I came straight from the A.F. to SWA in 2004 because I wanted to fly for a major passenger carrier and I heard Southwest was a good choice. 6 years later, I have no complaints. I like the flying, crews, and am generally happy with our mangement. You commenting about our culture and ops would be like me commenting on what it's like to fly at Delta Internationally. IE no personal experience=no complete knowledge. Regarding your continuous rant over the multi leg Texas 2-step... (I'm senior enough to bid what I want) and once every couple of mo.s I specifically bid to fly a six leg Texas 2-steps. Why....because I enjoy it... Usually great crews (Dallas Gals) and the flying is still fun. Please continue to rant about Southwest for the next 54 days so I can continue to chuckle over your posts, this will help pass time quicker.
Mitch

 

[johnsonrod]

Dear General
As you can see I never post in FI. While I sit in my hooch on day 4 of a 60 day rotation in the desert, I want to thank you for the several minutes of mild laughter you have provided me here. Your errors and so egregious that they are quite funny. You are completely clueless regarding what it's like to work at SWA. You are also terribly ignorant and misguided regarding how we are paid for the work we do.... I'm serious about this. I came straight from the A.F. to SWA in 2004 because I wanted to fly for a major passenger carrier and I heard Southwest was a good choice. 6 years later, I have no complaints. I like the flying, crews, and am generally happy with our mangement. You commenting about our culture and ops would be like me commenting on what it's like to fly at Delta Internationally. IE no personal experience=no complete knowledge. Regarding your continuous rant over the multi leg Texas 2-step... (I'm senior enough to bid what I want) and once every couple of mo.s I specifically bid to fly a six leg Texas 2-steps. Why....because I enjoy it... Usually great crews (Dallas Gals) and the flying is still fun. Please continue to rant about Southwest for the next 54 days so I can continue to chuckle over your posts, this will help pass time quicker.
Mitch

Mitch,

I personally know 3 HOU based SWA FOs (I fly E145s as a Capt in IAH), and they all work very hard. They tell me about their trips, and 2 of them left CAL for SWA and now wish they had not. You may be senior, but the junior guys at Southwest do get worked hard, and my 3 friends tell me about it all of the time. One said he often does the "California Shuffle", back and forth from SNA to SMF or SJC, with at least 5 legs or more during the middle of his trips. I told him "at least the wx is nice in California", and then he stated he does the same type of stuff out of MDW in the winter, and it drives him nuts. Not everyone enjoys it, and if you are senior you may be a lucky one.

And one more thing about Gen Lee, he is funny. He may not get it right all the time, but he is humorous. Everyone likes to get their panties in a wad, but just accept it for what it is, entertainment.

 

[SWA/FO]

2 of them left CAL for SWA and now wish they had not

Crazy... to leave CAL, I wouldnt.

 

[mitch1209]

Rod
From what i hear, my brothers at the bottom of our list are unhappy because of 2 reasons: seniority stagnation and sitting continual Reserve. Most of them still like flying their individual SWA trips just not in the context of being at the bottom with all associated trappings. Next year's contract will deal with the Reserve issue and only post- Nov 2012 and and improving economy will fix the seniority issue. It s*cks for the boys at the bottom....I get that. Yes, I do feel very fortunate to be where i'm at.
m

 

[GuppyWN]

Mitch,

Don't know how many contracts you've been through here but "fix the reserve system" aint gonna happen. That only helps the junior guys on each list. The deserving group is the senior guys. They are the ones that have had the hardest time dealing with the limited open time, darn lances, only 5 weeks of vacation.

The young guys will have plenty of tiime to make it up. I mean heck, they'll upgrade in 4 or 5 years and even get to spend an additional 5 years in the left seat on top of that! How dare they rock the boat.

On a serious note..... God Bless you my brother. Thanks for what you're doing. Be safe and hurry home.

Gup

 

[mitch1209]

Thanks dude, hopefully we'll do better for the junior guys than last time... Make us lots of money in my absence,
m