SouthWest to buy Jetblue?

[pilotpayne]

I hope SWA buys JB and adopts their cabin product. I love flying on JB as a passenger. Only thing missing is wifi.

How about blue stays blue....wifi or as we call it flyfi is in the next few months.
I think the want the bus fleet done in a year.

 

[General Lee]

I think the JB pilots would be wary of any sort of "process agreement." Lawyer up Boyz!!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Onething's for sure- junior SWA FOs won't be nearly as silent if GK and the board decide to buy jetblu- we just can't afford them buying another young carrier that has plenty of captains younger than most SWA FO's. We would not support a deal nearly as good as Air tran got. ( And you did get a damn good list). You think the last one had drama- not sure the FI world understands where SWA FO's stand on merger issues.

 

[DA50pilot]

Onething's for sure- junior SWA FOs won't be nearly as silent if GK and the board decide to buy jetblu- we just can't afford them buying another young carrier that has plenty of captains younger than most SWA FO's. We would not support a deal nearly as good as Air tran got. ( And you did get a damn good list). You think the last one had drama- not sure the FI world understands where SWA FO's stand on merger issues.

"Damn good list"? Dude, what are you smoking? Could I have a hit?

 

[FlyinGuy]

1) SWA is not going to buy JB!!

2) Can we please turn this into another 40 page thread where the same 6 dudes go back and forth about the list?

 

[Citrusflyer]

JB is too technologically advanced. It'd cost too much to dumb them down into the SWA mold. Wont happen.

 

[scarlet]

Just go for a stroll in DCA, LGA, BOS, FLL, JFK. Some great cities for yield $$$. Competitor gone.

 

[Flyby1206]

I really doubt this. Do you really think if swa made a move dal and amr would sit there and watch it happen? If we had 737s I might worry but who knows. Just another rumor...also there is nothing stopping swa from building bos and fll.

What would DAL do? There is no way the DOJ/DOT would approve a DAL/JB combo. And AA will have their hands full with a US integration for the next several years. Perfect time for SWA to make a move.

If SWA wanted to build BOS what gates would they use? Same with FLL?

 

[Phlintstone]

"Damn good list"? Dude, what are you smoking? Could I have a hit?

His idea of a fair list is a complete staple. The fact that it is not means that we got a good deal in his own warped view. Wave probably has kids named Luv and Dallas plus has "Warrior One" painted on his canyon blue Prius.

Phred

 

[fam62c]

I really doubt this. Do you really think if swa made a move dal and amr would sit there and watch it happen? If we had 737s I might worry but who knows. Just another rumor...also there is nothing stopping swa from building bos and fll.

DAL and AMR have large operations in the NE and would have antitrust problems purchasing JB. SW has a very small NE presence and may be the only very large carrier that could get approval for a merger with JB, very little NE overlap. I'm not saying it would happen, SW has it's hands full with the AT merger, starting international operations, updating computer systems, etc and a merger with JB would be messy given the fleet problem. However, from a route standpoint it looks interesting. I don't think any of the big 3 legacy carriers would be able to buy JB and have it get by the justice department. Possibly AMR or USAirways if their merger fails to get completed but it's going to get done.

I'm not saying JB will get bought and I'm not saying SW wants another merger but if I had to put money on the most likely partner for JB if it comes to that I would say SW. The NE is a big bald spot for SW and they can never get what JB has there by doing it organically because of the slot restrictions. SW will probably sit, collect cash, watch and wait. If an opportunity presents itself they will have the cash to take advantage of it.

I would also like to add that when I predict what will happen in this industry I am pretty much always wrong

 

[madjack]

Our former VP of something is director of Flt-ops at JB (I think)...

 

[pilotpayne]

What would DAL do? There is no way the DOJ/DOT would approve a DAL/JB combo. And AA will have their hands full with a US integration for the next several years. Perfect time for SWA to make a move.

If SWA wanted to build BOS what gates would they use? Same with FLL?

I would expect amr dal or united to bid up the price. If dal let go some JFK slots they could pull it off.
But who knows if this amr/lcc thing goes I doubt the doj will let any other mergers go.
I still think we stay blue, but if swa wants to buy us keep us and pay us swa rates that's fine with me.

 

[PropPiedmont]

...but if swa wants to buy us keep us and pay us swa rates that's fine with me.

That's what the AT guys said before it all happened.

 

[redflyer65]

We had Airtran guys on this board begging for a purchase and a staple. That changed quickly.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

I would suggest taking the first offer.

Now that right there is funny! An offer can only be extended to someone who has the ability to accept or decline it. As JetBlue pilots, we have neither.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

"In business, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate."

 

[HowardBorden]

If I had to guess I would say the next time SWA considers purchasing an airline the deal would be structured as an asset purchase only, keeping the pieces it wants and selling those that it doesn't.

 

[pilotpayne]

If I had to guess I would say the next time SWA considers purchasing an airline the deal would be structured as an asset purchase only, keeping the pieces it wants and selling those that it doesn't.

Yup on our board the swa plan is to take the 320s and the pilots and sell the 190s with its pilots....now oddly enough this only comes from bus guys.
I guess big bad swa who is not having any problems of its own will just slide in and kill blue.....

 

[ArmadilloJackal]

Many bus guys despise the 190 and blame it for stagnation, most refuse to admit how much growth it's responsible for and that it actually makes money - even with the engine maintenance mismanagement this year. Boston would be nowhere near what it is now and we wouldn't serve many of our markets if we had only 320's or 319's. Who was it that posted that SWA did a study and determined that the 190 was the only airplane that was profitable on certain city pairs? I have no idea if it's true or not, but it's plausible. But hey, if fragmentation fears keep inflating my artificial seniority on the 190, I'll take it. Weekends off and no red eyes works for me. Now arguing if we could be fragmented with our PEA's, yeah absolutely IMO, I just don't think it makes sense.

 

[pilotpayne]

Many bus guys despise the 190 and blame it for stagnation, most refuse to admit how much growth it's responsible for and that it actually makes money - even with the engine maintenance mismanagement this year. Boston would be nowhere near what it is now and we wouldn't serve many of our markets if we had only 320's or 319's. Who was it that posted that SWA did a study and determined that the 190 was the only airplane that was profitable on certain city pairs? I have no idea if it's true or not, but it's plausible. But hey, if fragmentation fears keep inflating my artificial seniority on the 190, I'll take it. Weekends off and no red eyes works for me. Now arguing if we could be fragmented with our PEA's, yeah absolutely IMO, I just don't think it makes sense.

Who knows with the pea's but they would have to fragment out of seniority.
The 190 has its place unless the high and might bus guys want to do the dca ewr phl shuttle flights or sju to stt or sxm.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Many bus guys despise the 190 and blame it for stagnation, most refuse to admit how much growth it's responsible for and that it actually makes money - even with the engine maintenance mismanagement this year. Boston would be nowhere near what it is now and we wouldn't serve many of our markets if we had only 320's or 319's. Who was it that posted that SWA did a study and determined that the 190 was the only airplane that was profitable on certain city pairs? I have no idea if it's true or not, but it's plausible. But hey, if fragmentation fears keep inflating my artificial seniority on the 190, I'll take it. Weekends off and no red eyes works for me. Now arguing if we could be fragmented with our PEA's, yeah absolutely IMO, I just don't think it makes sense.

This is simply not true. I have been on the A320 for 9 years and don't know anyone who despises the E190 or blames it (or its crews) for anything. Your opinion is just that.......an opinion. The E190 serves a purpose and has helped JetBlue. If anyone is to blame for any negative aspects of the E190, it is Embraer. The plane simply wasn't operating as advertised and the manufacturer is responsible.