Southwest Ties

[waka]

Uh, is Al-Zarquaui (sp?) a terrorist? Gee I dunno. Cutting off Berg's head with a dull kitchen knife, screaming Allahu-akbar, posting a video, and later declaring it was like butchering a sheep...

Oh yeah, he must be a freedom fighter.

There's no question that he's a terrorist. Blowing him up with an aerial attack does not fighting terrorists on Iraqi soil make....especially in the context of why we're there. Hint. Even though our illustrious president would like you to believe it, the answer has nothing to do with terrorism. Your opportunistic attempt based on the latest news failed. It's funny that no one could provide any straight answer prior to now.

 

[kenimpzoom]

I know if I thought my president lied and sent soldiers to their death for his personal gain I would be arming myself and going to Washington for a coup de ta.

Why havent you?

Ken

 

[VSI9k+]

There's no question that he's a terrorist. Blowing him up with an aerial attack does not fighting terrorists on Iraqi soil make....especially in the context of why we're there. Hint. Even though our illustrious president would like you to believe it, the answer has nothing to do with terrorism. Your opportunistic attempt based on the latest news failed. It's funny that no one could provide any straight answer prior to now.

So you ask if we have fought any terrorists over there...and then proof is offered...but for some reason that does not count?

 

[Gorilla]

There's no question that he's a terrorist. Blowing him up with an aerial attack does not fighting terrorists on Iraqi soil make....especially in the context of why we're there. Hint. Even though our illustrious president would like you to believe it, the answer has nothing to do with terrorism. Your opportunistic attempt based on the latest news failed. It's funny that no one could provide any straight answer prior to now.

Waka, you're a smart guy. Are you really maintaining that since it was an aerial attack, it "doesn't count" as combat on "iraqi soil?"

Before you answer, please consider the enormous number of ground-based assets in Iraq that were absolutely essential for the success of this mission. Please be intellectually honest.

Al-Z was a terrorist. He died on Iraqi soil with the combined effort of ground and airborne soldiers and pilots. There is only one conclusion.

 

[NEDude]

So, do SWA guys have to wear the tie or not?

 

[MalteseX]

Do SW pilots have to wear the flag tie? It seems like that's all I see lately.

No, they do not "have" to wear it. But they can wear 'approved' flag ties if they want. I think the company allows a selection of three or four different flag patterns.

 

[waka]

Waka, you're a smart guy. Are you really maintaining that since it was an aerial attack, it "doesn't count" as combat on "iraqi soil?"

Before you answer, please consider the enormous number of ground-based assets in Iraq that were absolutely essential for the success of this mission. Please be intellectually honest.

Al-Z was a terrorist. He died on Iraqi soil with the combined effort of ground and airborne soldiers and pilots. There is only one conclusion.

Gorilla,

I should have been more direct. My original statement was based on the post below.

Bottom line every life is valuable and I'd rather fight the terrorists in Iraq than on my soil, not to mention depose a ruthless dictator in the process.

Bush tried to justify invading Iraq partly by connecting Iraq with Al Qaeda and 9-11. No connection was ever found. Zarqawi and the group he led, Tawhid wal Jihad, was well after the fact and was formed in response to our invasion. Yes, terrorists were/are being fought on Iraqi soil but, not in the context of preventing another 9-11. Many ilinformed folks lump this all together. Remember that terrorism's definition has much to do with military vs civilian targets. I just wanted to emphasize that the insurgent attacks on our troops, as awful as it is that our troops are being injured and killed, is not terrorism. Many folks are quick to refer to those as terrorist attacks. However, I do of course acknowledge the beheadings of British and American journalists, the cafe bombings targeting civilians etc. as terrorism. It does seem that most of the attacks are centered on coalition troops and Iraqi police (working closely enough with the military to be considered a military target, me thinks).

Yes, I'm back pedalling a bit because my posts were vague. I digress.

 

[MalteseX]

I only think that it would be an issue if this tie was mandatory.

It is not mandatory to wear the American Flag ties at SWA; however, it would be great if they made it mandatory. That way, all pilots would have to wear them.

 

[WabiSabi]

It is not mandatory to wear the American Flag ties at SWA; however, it would be great if they made it mandatory. That way, all pilots would have to wear them.

Making any presentation of patriotism as mandatory is against the very principles for which our flag stands. Hail Caesar!

 

[PCL_128]

So you ask if we have fought any terrorists over there...and then proof is offered...but for some reason that does not count?

You're looking for logic from a liberal. Don't waste your time. You'll never find any.

 

[waka]

You're looking for logic from a liberal. Don't waste your time. You'll never find any.

The irony is funny...not to mention stupid.

What is truly not logical is your lumping of all those under one political label as exclusively illogical. I understand, making things a nice simple black and white makes it so you don't tire your brain and actually have to think.

 

[Almerick07]

This is what is wrong with our country today, everyone has one extreme idea or another. Look at things logically, regardless of excuses or hidden agendas our president may have had going into Iraq. Saddam was a bad person and is personally responsible for more than 50 times the deaths our military has sustained while in Iraq. We have removed a very bad person from power from a very powerful country, why us you ask? We are one of only a handful of countries capable of delivering the militia required for the task...consider it our favor to the world and the people of Iraq weather they realize it or not. Next time youre walking around the mall be thankful to the fact you dont have to worry about being blown up by some pipe bomb and maybe you will voluntarily stop by the tie rack and pick up a nifty american flag tie for yourself.

 

[waka]

This is what is wrong with our country today, everyone has one extreme idea or another. Look at things logically, regardless of excuses or hidden agendas our president may have had going into Iraq. Saddam was a bad person and is personally responsible for more than 50 times the deaths our military has sustained while in Iraq. We have removed a very bad person from power from a very powerful country, why us you ask? We are one of only a handful of countries capable of delivering the militia required for the task...consider it our favor to the world and the people of Iraq weather they realize it or not. Next time youre walking around the mall be thankful to the fact you dont have to worry about being blown up by some pipe bomb and maybe you will voluntarily stop by the tie rack and pick up a nifty american flag tie for yourself.

I don't buy it. Dethroning Saddam did/does not prevent bombings in malls. It certainly wouldn't have had an effect on terrorist attacks on federal buildings.

My patriotism is not expressed in wearing some friggin tie or wrapping a flag around my head with which to blind myself. My patriotism is expressed in scrutiny, skepticism and not toeing the line, as it should be.

 

[Almerick07]

Dethroning Saddam may not have made it more safe in our malls but when the dust settles the bottom line is the world will be a better place with him gone and out of power. If you cant appreciate that reality it might make me think you show some sort of support for what he was doing to his people, or the people he made his.

Does it really matter what our excuse was for going into Iraq or why we really went into Iraq? Get over your hatred for our president and your blurred blue vision and show some appreciation for the troops who have had died not for OUR country but for a country who needed our help...those are the ultimate hero's.

If you want to do your part to make this world a better place try looking at these events from all angles and around the propaganda that surrounds everything. I dont care how you express your patriotism or if you even have any. Extreme beliefs are what lead to irrational decisions (blowing up malls, exterminating 100,000 ********************es or just ignorant comments made on an aviation forum.)

 

[waka]

Dethroning Saddam may not have made it more safe in our malls but when the dust settles the bottom line is the world will be a better place with him gone and out of power. If you cant appreciate that reality it might make me think you show some sort of support for what he was doing to his people, or the people he made his.

This is perposterous and you're a whack job if you think that a dissenting opinion means support of Saddam....you're one to talk about "extreme beliefs"

Does it really matter what our excuse was for going into Iraq or why we really went into Iraq?

D@mn right it matters why we went to Iraq. To disregard this is removing accountablity and responsibility. Just because you're relatively safe here doesn't make this a friggin game pal.

Extreme beliefs are what lead to irrational decisions (blowing up malls, exterminating 100,000 ********************es or just ignorant comments made on an aviation forum.)

You have made it quite apparent that you're very familiar with "Extreme beliefs" (reference your 1st paragraph) and ignorant comments (reference your posts in this thread).

 

[Benhuntn]

Waka your patiotism is expressed by..." blame America first". It's all our fault. No good ever came from anything we have achieved. I have never understood why people like you even live here. Why don't you move to Canada. Wait in Canada they monitor web sites and phone calls to stop terriorists. You better stay here they don't need another lib.

 

[waka]

Waka your patiotism is expressed by..." blame America first". It's all our fault. No good ever came from anything we have achieved. I have never understood why people like you even live here. Why don't you move to Canada. Wait in Canada they monitor web sites and phone calls to stop terriorists. You better stay here they don't need another lib.

Where did you get "blame America first"? Some right wing radio host, Fox News or whoever it is that spoonfeeds your politics to you? There is a big difference between "blame America first" and participating in the system of checks and balances. Your "if you don't like it leave" attitude is abjectly unpatriotic. The worse thing one can do for their country is blindly toe the line or march in lockstep with an administration's flawed policies.

 

[FN FAL]

It is not mandatory to wear the American Flag ties at SWA; however, it would be great if they made it mandatory. That way, all pilots would have to wear them.

If they really want to be patriotic, they should make em wear red white and blue stripped pants, with matching tennis shoes, a white belt, a red shirt and a blue tie.

 

[Benhuntn]

Waka, You are right! March in lock step with Susan Surround sound,Barbara Striesand, Mike Moore, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Robins, Cindy Shehan, Sean Penn Rep. Mc Cormick, and others who all see the USA as an evil empire. I am sure you are a patriot, but you only seem to regurgetate "Air America" lib speak so come down off your high horse. Show me some original thoughts on your part.

I would rather serve in our military to defend our country for any cause, than stand among cowards crying "woe is me" like a bunch of pablim puking cry babies.

 

[Metro752]

Hey Ben, I saw one of them USAF Executive Fleet, or whatever you call it GVs at ARR, pretty impressive.