Southwest Pilots Aggressively Push Age 65

[Bringupthebird]

Furloughed dude has a pension - a military pension, with retiree health care, unlike many of the guys for whom 5 more years of 121 flying (in either seat) may make a world of difference.

 

[canyonblue]

Furloughed dude has a pension - a military pension, with retiree health care, unlike many of the guys for whom 5 more years of 121 flying (in either seat) may make a world of difference.

Figures, another fricken kernel.:nuts:

 

[SWA/FO]

Haven't been furloughed for some time now, and yes, I do have a pension at my company. A real retirement, unlike your company. Also better wages and I don't fly 6 legs a day....

At least I fly in the USA. You had to go to the middle east to get a job, that nobody wanted anyway. Your profile says you're "guard bum" what you guarding?...... all your cash in your DB pension? What you an FE or what? Jealous we get to fly airplanes or what?

 

[Green]

[quote='LUVIN LIFE]It's not a matter of retirement packages, it's a matter of principle. Why should we let foreign pilots fly in our airspace up to 65 but we can't?

I must say though, I don't agree with the language that the FO needs to be less than 60. To me that just says there is a health/safety problem, otherwise why should one care how old the FO is? That restriction needs to be removed because it's contradictory to the argument.

And oh, the whole Wright Amendment thing, life is good![/quote]


So all the airlines have to scrap their pensions and cut their salaries to compete with SWA and now SWA pilots want to work to 65 because they have no pension. That's priceless.......

 

[Green]

If these guys would get a decent pension, they wouldn't need to work until 65. C'mon guys, get a fu##ing pension so you won't have to screw up everyone else's life. I can't believe you fools want to keep flying past 60.....

It's a little late for that.....SWA pilots reshape the industry by working 1000 hours a year for half the going rate without a guranteed retirement over the last three decades or so. Do you think they are going to suddenly change the formula? The kicker will be ten years down the road when they have the bloated salaries and there will be no more productivity increases to be found. They will be complaining to the rest of us about working for too little and wh#ring ourselves out, etc....

 

[canyonblue]

The kicker will be ten years down the road when they have the bloated salaries and there will be no more productivity increases to be found. They will be complaining to the rest of us about working for too little and wh#ring ourselves out, etc....

Yea, that's gonna happen. uke:

 

[canyonblue]

So all the airlines have to scrap their pensions and cut their salaries to compete with SWA.......

That's why they did it? Thanks for clearing it up for me. Southwest rules the World and I didn't even know it.

 

[furloughed dude]

Sorry Swa/fo, as usual you are wrong again. Fully funded DB plan, A plan, and I don't work in the middle east. Pay rates higher than yours, you figure it out. And yeah, I retired from the guard with 22 years. I don't get paid for another 16 years, but that will be another nice pension check. It will be nice retiring at 60, don't you wished you could? That's right, you have to work until 65, then still not have a pension.. Sucks to be you!

 

[SWA/FO]

It will be nice retiring at 60, don't you wished you could? That's right, you have to work until 65, then still not have a pension.. Sucks to be you!

You know for a fact I will not retire at 60? Tell me more!!!

 

[Bake]

Furloughed dude. You are my hero. I wish I could retire like you. WOW. Any chance you would help me out a little? You're sooooooooooooo cool.

 

[furloughed dude]

Possibly bake, I need someone to cut my grass...

 

[canyonblue]

And yeah, I retired from the guard with 22 years.

I Guessed that one right.

 

[Bake]

So that's what your wife calls it......

 

[canyonblue]

So that's what your wife calls it......

That's freekin funny man. :laugh:

 

[CoATP]

The age 60 rule was a creation of management to dump senior (higher paid) pilots out of the system. There was no internet whining about "it's not what we signed up for" [pardon the preposition at the end] [oh no internet so where was the whining?] There have been more "young buck" accidents caused by excessive testosterone and reduced mature brain function [read judgement] than the "old f*rt syndrome" you seem to be afraid of. [drat that old preoposition again.] Write your congressperson and the wheels of governement will churn.

 

[Flopgut]

At least I fly in the USA. You had to go to the middle east to get a job, that nobody wanted anyway. Your profile says you're "guard bum" what you guarding?...... all your cash in your DB pension? What you an FE or what? Jealous we get to fly airplanes or what?

SWA/FO: What are YOU guarding? Mr. "negative military". I can't believe the crap you and Canyonblue are writing one here in these last few posts. Raising he!! with a furlough about a possible lost pension? It's a whole new low in airline blasphemy. This is usually when a SWA lurker jumps in and asks you to cool it.

 

[HalinTexas]

One thing I never see mentioned is that if the "gubment" changed the age from 60 to 65 it would set a precedent for other workers to have their age limit removed as well. Does anybody realize that there are many civil service jobs where an employee must retire by their 57th birthday?

Personally, I am not for the age change whatsoever. However, it is BS that a guy cannot reap SS benefits from age 60 and beyond.

ALPA's membership has spoken, the largest group by far in the industry. It is not in favor of changing the age to 65... Soooo, all you gentlemen who expressed your opinion in disfavor of an age change I would suggest that you express your opinion a little louder to your various congressmen. The squeakiest wheel gets the grease, and the squeaking is not emanating from the majority voice.

They also have civil service pensions!

 

[SWA/FO]

SWA/FO: What are YOU guarding? Mr. "negative military". I can't believe the crap you and Canyonblue are writing one here in these last few posts. Raising he!! with a furlough about a possible lost pension? It's a whole new low in airline blasphemy. This is usually when a SWA lurker jumps in and asks you to cool it.

I'm guarding PROFITS, Baby! Maybe I should have typed in my profile "Positive Civilian".. does that sound better? Didn't you know its furlough season, we be picking on furloughed guys, its so much fun. Where did you get this idea?

Your game is weak and so is your profile :laugh: .

 

[scoreboard]

SWA/FO, you are like a monkey throwing shiitte, funny to watch, but somebodys got to clean that up...

 

[furloughed dude]

SWA/FO: It is punks like you that cause others to get booted from the jumpseat. Keep it up....

 

[SWA/FO]

Try booting a SWA guy off the jumpseat and your workgroup will end up losing the most outta that.

 

[furloughed dude]

Ooh, I'm scared.... Unfortunately for SWA, your actions do speak for others at SWA. Then again, you're probably an 18 year old with daddy's computer....

 

[SWA/FO]

Ooh, I'm scared.... Unfortunately for SWA, your actions do speak for others at SWA. Then again, you're probably an 18 year old with daddy's computer....

Lets see who started threating who? Look back at your posts.

Actions what actions, I'm on an internet message board.

Chances are I don't jump on your airline anyway..I don't fly intra China very often. Huh where is it that you work?, if its that great why not share it with the rest of us. Maybe, I'll apply!

 

[furloughed dude]

SWA/FO,

The best part of you ran down your momma's leg. Your boring me..

By the way, we make your quarterly earnings in a week or so. Don't be such a homo... And yes, we do fly to China....

Don't bother replying, you are "ignored."

 

[SWA/FO]

good...cus you got your a$$ kicked.. Come back when you want some more, I'm just getting warmed up.

 

[CWI]

SWA is a GREAT airline and I for one appreicate their friendly people who welcome us on their jumpseats.

I think it's time to change a very outdated FAR. 60 of today is like 50 of yesterday.

I am very happy to see SWA speaking out in favor of this proposed rule change.

Good luck SWA and I hope the age 60 rule sinks like a lead canoe............

 

[Flopgut]

I'm guarding PROFITS, Baby! Maybe I should have typed in my profile "Positive Civilian".. does that sound better? Didn't you know its furlough season, we be picking on furloughed guys, its so much fun. Where did you get this idea?

Your game is weak and so is your profile :laugh: .

Maybe you should have typed in "positive queen", cause the only thing your guarding is five star freak status on flightinfoe.com! Something tells me that your coworkers would never want to see you guarding anything too important at SWA. I don't know if you could get hired there twice, they'd probably rather let you continue to fly FO/manservant on the dainty little corporate Cessna thingy you "flew" before. Remember when your giving furloughed dude crap, he had to pass a sim check to do what he's doing.

 

[SWA/FO]

I don't know if you could get hired there twice

Good thing I only had to get hired once.

Remember when your giving furloughed dude crap, he had to pass a sim check to do what he's doing.

What is it exactly your boyfriend is doing thesedays? Who does he fly for... EVA air? You don't think, I ever passed a sim ride? I had to have 1000 PIC turbine and pass a type ride to get my job, does that count? You guys work together or something?

dainty little corporate Cessna thingy you "flew" before.

You should just put Military in your profile..If you don't know your civilian aircraft. That would be Gulfstream & Falcon time. No twin cessna time for me. Now Army guys get to fly 'em...maybe some AF guys too..

 

[Flopgut]

You don't think, I ever passed a sim ride? I had to have 1000 PIC turbine and pass a type ride to get my job, does that count?

Nope.

Come on, how hard is it to fly those "royal barges" around? You pretty much only flew VFR, right? What, you think your equal to the guys who flew the line at a commuter or were in the military? Puh-lease! Your a fair wx aviator who worked at the whim of a fickle bizillionaire. Cool it poser, you couldn't carry furloughed dudes flight bag!

(maybe I'm being a little harsh, I mean, you did have to load the pax Tumi bags onto the G wiz, that was hard I'm sure)

 

[SWA/FO]

You pretty much only flew VFR, right? What, you think your equal to the guys who flew the line at a commuter or were in the military? Puh-lease!

Your kidding, right? I think I'm better! I'm a former freight dog. Flying formation/bombing things and flying back into/out of a hub is not what I did... no.