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[Tripower455]

Just be sure to vote yes, or Gary will "shelve" any growth plans!

 

[redflyer65]

Agreed Tri.

I need full retro and RRC. Otherwise, I'm a solid NO.

To turn it around, I'll 'shelve' my yes vote.

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

Excellent post FO. International growth is going to be fun to watch. The new terminal in HOU will be coming out of the ground soon. Three cranes up already. FLL to follow.

Red.
Take it easy on the blue koolaide. What will be fun about it? Zero growth, moving jets from current domestic markets to international markets, 15 year upgrades? I agree with you on the full retro, no PBS, no sick bank reduction, no code share a 737 can do, and RRC.
Organic growth will bring me back to the koolaide dispenser for a sip every now and then.

 

[Crash Pad]

No code share on anything a 737 can do? The only hope we have is growth. The only growth to be had is international. I'm not willing to outsource our only hope hope for growth. Sure Mexico is nice but why give up on Europe, Asia, etc.?

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

No code share on anything a 737 can do? The only hope we have is growth. The only growth to be had is international. I'm not willing to outsource our only hope hope for growth. Sure Mexico is nice but why give up on Europe, Asia, etc.?

Hi Crash.

I am not giving up on far international. Not for one second. We are not in a position to begin Europe, Asia, etc. I would be willing to look at a far international code share with hard numbers for obtaining proper equipment. There would have to be a drop dead date and a 4-1 ratio of our equipment to a code share partners lifts. I would look at allowing SWA to obtain these revenue streams. Emphasize look.
I know we just subleased our rjs to Delta, but if the company wants more efficient rjs flying our passengers, bring them on property! As long as they are flown by SWA pilots on our seniority list.

BO4

 

[IAHERJ]

I'm a new hire and didn't even get OAK. I would think you could get off RSV there fairly quickly.

There are still hundreds of AT pilots to transition, so that will slow movement for a year or so.

What people fail to comprehend about SWA is the potential for international growth. Once the integration is complete, you're going to see a big push to add several near international cities. They're already shopping for -700s that they can put to work quickly.

Will you fly a 777 to Hong Kong? Not for a long time, if ever. You can count on anything within the range of the -700/800.

Personally, flying around the globe, waking up in weird time zones and getting stomach bugs doesn't appeal to me. Some of us are perfectly happy bouncing around the good ol' US, enjoying great benefits and having a blast at work.

Unfortunately, some cannot understand why we don't think like they do, and don't want to fly what they fly. That's why there are so many haters out there.

I respect everyone else's career decisions, their choice of employer, and hope they are proud of what they do, just as I am.

Let me guess, American flag tie?? Kidding. Good post

 

[JetFumes]

Even with some growth, are you still looking at a 15 to 20 year upgrade?

 

[FurloughedAgain]

What was the industry like fifteen years ago JetFumes? That was 1999. TWA was still a global carrier. US Airways hired 1149 pilots, had never been bankrupt, and had yet to try a merger with United. RJs were strictly limited by scope. Turboprop feed still existed. Bunches of majors existed that are gone today. NW, CAL, ATA, America West. Even more small airlines fought for low fare supremacy... We had yet to see Metrojet, Song or Ted... JetBlue still sounded like a dishwasher detergent and hadn't flown a single hour. But Vanguard, Eastwind, ProAir, National, Southeast all flew...

Who is to say what the industry will look like in another 15 years? We can't predict what will happen in 5. Play the hand you're dealt and hope for the best.

 

[FOAgain]

Let me guess, American flag tie?? Kidding. Good post

Actually I'm a special livery kind of dude.

 

[JetFumes]

What was the industry like fifteen years ago JetFumes? That was 1999. TWA was still a global carrier. US Airways hired 1149 pilots, had never been bankrupt, and had yet to try a merger with United. RJs were strictly limited by scope. Turboprop feed still existed. Bunches of majors existed that are gone today. NW, CAL, ATA, America West. Even more small airlines fought for low fare supremacy... We had yet to see Metrojet, Song or Ted... JetBlue still sounded like a dishwasher detergent and hadn't flown a single hour. But Vanguard, Eastwind, ProAir, National, Southeast all flew...

Who is to say what the industry will look like in another 15 years? We can't predict what will happen in 5. Play the hand you're dealt and hope for the best.

No doubt, still doesn't answer the question. How many retirements are there , how much growth can there be, and how does that equate to upgrade, I'm 44, so it's a valid question.

 

[Dan Roman]

No code share on anything a 737 can do? The only hope we have is growth. The only growth to be had is international. I'm not willing to outsource our only hope hope for growth. Sure Mexico is nice but why give up on Europe, Asia, etc.?

737 to Europe or Asia? Exactly what route from the US to Asia are you talking about?

 

[Dan Roman]

737 to Europe or Asia? Exactly what route from the US to Asia are you talking about?

Whoops, I get it, I read it too quickly....you are actually saying don't allow code share on those routes just because they are routes you would not fly with a 737 aren't you? My bad!

 

[Bake]

No doubt, still doesn't answer the question. How many retirements are there , how much growth can there be, and how does that equate to upgrade, I'm 44, so it's a valid question.

There are approx 120 retirements per year for the next few, that's not a lot. For the rest of your valid questions please contact Nostrodamus.

 

[waveflyer]

No doubt, still doesn't answer the question. How many retirements are there , how much growth can there be, and how does that equate to upgrade, I'm 44, so it's a valid question.

It's just my opinion, and I'll concede that it does, by design, help me feel better, but upgrade thinking is regional thinking. I simply don't believe in judging a career by the virtues of the super senior and top job. It is a much better judge of a career to see how the QOL of the bottom job is. That is all that is guaranteed.
Plenty of pilots took jobs at united in 2000 with those 3 year upgrades. Things can and often have gone backwards too- so it's often a moving target- and what it is, isn't what it will be. And what is for one class may be very different for classes later in the year.

This is NOT a slam against legacies or a pro SWA argument. (Our guarantee with a class date is as a reserve FO and our reserve rules have a lot to be desired despite 15 days off. -and why it's a priority during this section 6)

I'm just saying it's more logical to think about what you're guaranteed to experience, not the something better that may or may not happen.

 

[waveflyer]

Right in line is DO NOT buy your captain house in anticipation of an upgrade...
That's been experienced too many times

 

[JetFumes]

It's just my opinion, and I'll concede that it does, by design, help me feel better, but upgrade thinking is regional thinking. I simply don't believe in judging a career by the virtues of the super senior and top job. It is a much better judge of a career to see how the QOL of the bottom job is. That is all that is guaranteed.
Plenty of pilots took jobs at united in 2000 with those 3 year upgrades. Things can and often have gone backwards too- so it's often a moving target- and what it is, isn't what it will be. And what is for one class may be very different for classes later in the year.

This is NOT a slam against legacies or a pro SWA argument. (Our guarantee with a class date is as a reserve FO and our reserve rules have a lot to be desired despite 15 days off. -and why it's a priority during this section 6)

I'm just saying it's more logical to think about what you're guaranteed to experience, not the something better that may or may not happen.

I guess the bottom of SWA is better than most, just trying to get a feel for what's floating around. I know there's been a lot going on over there. From the outside looking in, it looks a little confusing. I believe SWA is a great place to work, and living next to the junior base makes it more so.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Personally, flying around the globe, waking up in weird time zones and getting stomach bugs doesn't appeal to me. Some of us are perfectly happy bouncing around the good ol' US, enjoying great benefits and having a blast at work

Me too....wanna swap?

 

[T-1GUY]

Can someone send me a copy of the latest Southwest contract?

 

[wood pecker]

You will no longer need air freshners in your bathroom once you cross over. My crap doesn't smell anymore. Amazing!

Unless they outsource all of or international flying I think SWA is the place to be now. Hell we haven't even started charging for bags and we are still doing good. We are just in the construction phase w/ loud noises and dust everywhere. In a few years it will be very good according to my fortune cookie.

 

[T-1GUY]

I am looking at the current Southwest contract. The base pay tables are adjusted each year by 2%. Two of the years the raise was variable. What percentage did they get?