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[redflyer65]

PCL - Teaming up with management to hold a gun to someone's head is not honorable,







Teaming up with management? Nice spin PCL.

You guys completely blew the first deal. You know, the one that you crafted from the beginning...with no desire to ever send it out. One of the worst decisions by ALPA for years to come. Your members paid a very, very high price.

If anyone wants to know how ALPA really runs, go check out the Eagle MEC dinner-gate threads in the regional forum. They ran a dinner bill up to $2085 (yes, over 2 grand for dinner and drinks). Your dues dollars at work!

And PCL is over there trying to defend that activity too...

 

[zippy32]

i can name you a whole bunch. All the WN captains within a one hour drive of Atlanta, who will hold it as their new base

If by a bunch you mean 3, then you are correct.

There is 1 SWA Captain that lives in Atlanta.
There are 3 others that live about an hour from the airport.
Only 13 Captains total in the state of Georgia.

So, not really a whole bunch.

 

[freightdogfred]

If by a bunch you mean 3, then you are correct.

There is 1 SWA Captain that lives in Atlanta.
There are 3 others that live about an hour from the airport.
Only 13 Captains total in the state of Georgia.

So, not really a whole bunch.

Using your numbers, I can then conclude that no more than 13 WN captains will voluntarily bid into ATL., the rest will be displaced. Am I correct? If 13 or less is the number, I will happily buy you dinner at Fogo de Chao, the favorite feeding trough for ALPA officers on the union dime.

If more than 15 bid in, you can buy me Moe's on concourse C.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

No one got what they wanted or felt entitled to out of the ISL. If SWA and SWAPA had been in bed together as much as PCL and others claim they could have dictated a list much more favorable to SWAPA up to and including a staple. On the other hand if SWA really didn't care about labor relations they could have washed their hands of it and let ALPA get the list they wanted via arbitration. What SWA tried to do, I think, was come up with the "least unfair" list because when its all over they realize labor stife is expensive. No one got what they expected and no one loves the list.

 

[texman]

No one got what they wanted or felt entitled to out of the ISL. If SWA and SWAPA had been in bed together as much as PCL and others claim they could have dictated a list much more favorable to SWAPA up to and including a staple. On the other hand if SWA really didn't care about labor relations they could have washed their hands of it and let ALPA get the list they wanted via arbitration. What SWA tried to do, I think, was come up with the "least unfair" list because when its all over they realize labor stife is expensive. No one got what they expected and no one loves the list.

If you are a 65000-76000 number they all love the list. The rest not so much.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

If you are a 65000-76000 number they all love the list. The rest not so much.

Maybe today but not so much I bet in the long run. The 65000# guys would have upgraded anyway because over half of the planned 288 Capt upgrades this year are due to WN retirements. The rest are getting a quicker upgrade BUT will have a terrible QOL for a long time as they stagnate at the bottom of the Capt list in 2015 and have to play nomadic pilot to keep the seat.

 

[vixin]

If anyone wants to know how ALPA really runs, go check out the Eagle MEC dinner-gate threads in the regional forum. They ran a dinner bill up to $2085 (yes, over 2 grand for dinner and drinks). Your dues dollars at work!

And PCL is over there trying to defend that activity too...

Our union seems to be doing a bang up job waisting money also. ie: The Paris trip. Plus a lot more waist.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Our union seems to be doing a bang up job waisting money also. ie: The Paris trip. Plus a lot more waist.

So they are getting fat? Not just a union problem.

 

[waveflyer]

I agree 2.5 is low. But I also agree it should have and would have been closer to 4-5. But thats my own opinion. I wont go further with it because it is OVER.

Good point-

 

[waveflyer]

Using your numbers, I can then conclude that no more than 13 WN captains will voluntarily bid into ATL., the rest will be displaced. Am I correct? If 13 or less is the number, I will happily buy you dinner at Fogo de Chao, the favorite feeding trough for ALPA officers on the union dime.

If more than 15 bid in, you can buy me Moe's on concourse C.

I'll buy you a Moe's man. Just for diving into this crap again

 

[dicko]

Our union seems to be doing a bang up job waisting money also. ie: The Paris trip. Plus a lot more waist.

I'm curious as to why SWAPA went to Paris ? It would be hilarious if it was an ICAO junket.

Perhaps they finally solved the eternal mystery - 'Is San Juan another country and where is Puerto Rico customs located ?'

 

[SWA Bubba]

Using your numbers, I can then conclude that no more than 13 WN captains will voluntarily bid into ATL., the rest will be displaced. Am I correct? If 13 or less is the number, I will happily buy you dinner at Fogo de Chao, the favorite feeding trough for ALPA officers on the union dime.

If more than 15 bid in, you can buy me Moe's on concourse C.

I'd forgotten that you can look on the SWAPA website, and see exactly which cities SWA pilots live. It seems pretty obvious that the 13 who can drive to ATL will probably bid there. As far as the others, no, Fred, it won't be based on displacements. It will possibly attract guys who can't hold Captain in MCO or BWI as well (ease of commuting), and will be filled by junior guys who can't hold Captain anywhere else (there are always guys who will commute anywhere to the ends of the country to hold a Captain seat). And those ultra-junior Captains will be the ones displaced out of there when the AirTran senior guys re-upgrade.

So, since every pilot at the company has to have a standing vacancy bid including ATL, there obviously WILL be enough OSW guys bidding some level into ATL to be a Captain, even if it's their last choice. There will be few or none displacements there, but not for the reason you allege. They won't necessarily WANT to be there, but rather they have to, if they want to hold a Captain seat. But they'll be dying to get out of there when they can, or forced out when more senior former AirTran guys re-upgrade.

Does that make you feel better? Can I claim the free Fogo de Chao dinner you're offering? I AM a pilot after all, and must try for all free food.

Bubba

 

[vixin]

So they are getting fat? Not just a union problem.

Got me I wasnt thinking and let the auto correct do its thing. Damn phone key pad is to small.

 

[vixin]

I'm curious as to why SWAPA went to Paris ? It would be hilarious if it was an ICAO junket.

Perhaps they finally solved the eternal mystery - 'Is San Juan another country and where is Puerto Rico customs located ?'

I think 6 of them just had to go. It was hush hush until the cat was let out. They didnt tell the membership ahead of time about the trip. Nor after until it was questioned.

 

[freightdogfred]

I'll buy you a Moe's man. Just for diving into this crap again

The only thing I want from you is to see the back of your head goin the other way

 

[freightdogfred]

I'd forgotten that you can look on the SWAPA website, and see exactly which cities SWA pilots live. It seems pretty obvious that the 13 who can drive to ATL will probably bid there. As far as the others, no, Fred, it won't be based on displacements. It will possibly attract guys who can't hold Captain in MCO or BWI as well (ease of commuting), and will be filled by junior guys who can't hold Captain anywhere else (there are always guys who will commute anywhere to the ends of the country to hold a Captain seat). And those ultra-junior Captains will be the ones displaced out of there when the AirTran senior guys re-upgrade.

So, since every pilot at the company has to have a standing vacancy bid including ATL, there obviously WILL be enough OSW guys bidding some level into ATL to be a Captain, even if it's their last choice. There will be few or none displacements there, but not for the reason you allege. They won't necessarily WANT to be there, but rather they have to, if they want to hold a Captain seat. But they'll be dying to get out of there when they can, or forced out when more senior former AirTran guys re-upgrade.

Does that make you feel better? Can I claim the free Fogo de Chao dinner you're offering? I AM a pilot after all, and must try for all free food.

Bubba

We shall see. When the day comes, and one of these last-choice, ultra junior, commute to the end of the earth CA's gets shoved out, I'll buy you your Fogo Chao, i'm a man of my word. I think it may go a lil more senior than you think.

 

[oriondriver]

I live in Jax. I may bid there for the one leg commute.

 

[waveflyer]

The only thing I want from you is to see the back of your head goin the other way

Classy- no stalker here
Did me pointing out how average to bad your air tran job was disrupt your sensitive feelers?
Good luck with that I'm entitled to all things SWA bc I got bought attitude-
I'm sure it'll make for a long happy career

And PCL- I know you're not interested in much if it doesn't involve a short cut- integrity would absolutely be you never cashing a SWA paycheck as much as you down the place

 

[freightdogfred]

You truly are clueless

 

[dicko]

Classy- no stalker here
Did me pointing out how average to bad your air tran job was disrupt your sensitive feelers?

You're a class act Wave.

Meanwhile; AirTran pilots are fixing your international program, enabling your stalled ETOPS program, fixing your training, fixing your 1970s Performance calculations for the - 800, introducing ACARS performance to your fleet and showing your ramp training programs how to emerge from 1980s via the interwebs.

When you get a chance, ask your Director of Training how many programs have been taken over by AirTran pilots. Good luck with Mexico City; Apparently, it doesnt need any extra training, it's just like any other airport ...... Apart from the volcanoes and the nearly 8000 foot airport elevation