Southwest Line on Credit?

[Phlintstone]

Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine. Look you IDIOT, read my post, where did I write that I was angry? Where did I write that you were happy about it? Your reading skills are seriously lacking. You are a classless fool who needs some help. PLEASE go get some...

Phred

 

[freightdogfred]

Well go f^ck yourselves if you're pissed but don't want to do anything different.
Do you think there is 1, and I mean find just one SWA pilot who is happy about this purchase. ?

Huh? You think that? So grow the f up, and realize you're airline pilots and acquisitions happen.

i can name you a whole bunch. All the WN captains within a one hour drive of Atlanta, who will hold it as their new base

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

i can name you a whole bunch. All the WN captains within a one hour drive of Atlanta, who will hold it as their new base

A whole bunch would be a big overstatement. First the base is going to be small so their won't be a whole bunch of pilots there. Second if any of those small number of Capts are even close to junior they will get washed out of the base pretty quickly in 2015 due to AAI pilots upgrading and the cyclical nature of SW vacancy bids.

 

[freightdogfred]

A whole bunch would be a big overstatement. First the base is going to be small so their won't be a whole bunch of pilots there. Second if any of those small number of Capts are even close to junior they will get washed out of the base pretty quickly in 2015 due to AAI pilots upgrading and the cyclical nature of SW vacancy bids.

Hopefully you are correct if the DRC plays out in FL's favor.

I wouldn't rule out GK coming in and pulling out a spiked club to subvert the whole process

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Hopefully you are correct if the DRC plays out in FL's favor.

I wouldn't rule out GK coming in and pulling out a spiked club to subvert the whole process

Fred this will happen no matter how the DRC plays out just by the nature of the ISL. AS WN capts retire in 2015 the resultant upgrade classes will be all AAI pilots re upgrading The vacancy bids at WN are very cyclical when there is no growth as in in any given base and seat plus a few one month then minus a few the next. What will happen is on "plus" months in ATL it will be senior AAI guys coming in and on "minus" month in ATL it will be junior WN guys pushed out. This is already happening on the WN F/O side with the AAI transitions.

 

[freightdogfred]

Fred this will happen no matter how the DRC plays out just by the nature of the ISL. AS WN capts retire in 2015 the resultant upgrade classes will be all AAI pilots re upgrading The vacancy bids at WN are very cyclical when there is no growth as in in any given base and seat plus a few one month then minus a few the next. What will happen is on "plus" months in ATL it will be senior AAI guys coming in and on "minus" month in ATL it will be junior WN guys pushed out. This is already happening on the WN F/O side with the AAI transitions.

By the very fact the whole list is so skewed in WN's favor, the really senior captains at FL will not have the horsepower to be pushing anyone out of atlanta. Not to mention the fact most of em are so old they fart dust, an ain't gonna be around much past 2015 anyhows. Be interesting to see how many WN captains above #1500 bid into ATL, that's where the rubber will meet the road. Seems i see more an more of them riding our crew bus.

 

[waveflyer]

So, the argument is WN pilots are happy bc we get 1 more base? We had nine. Coast to coast, north to south. There are a few who are happy about that. So much for my superlative arguments. So there are some-. Your argument would hold more weight if your fortress hub was Nashville.
As far as quicker upgrades- I'm still pissed, bc all the junior FO's got 200 more AT's above us between the 1st and 2nd lists- while the angry FO crowd got a little bit quicker upgrade, I'll have 200 pilots senior to me the rest of my career-
Lesson learned on not backing other groups- stick to what affects you. (Should've learned that from the age 65 debate.

And hey phred, I'm Irish. Cursing doesn't make me either angry or classless. Just makes me irish(!)

And as far as skewed goes- please. SWA was a job that took years longer to get. That argument just doesn't fly to those of us who wanted to work at SWA and stuck with it until we got it instead of settling for an AT job I could've had a while back. That's reality. You just piss yourself off if you don't accept the FACT that AT was an easier job to get with lesser qualifications-
Good on you. Not an indictment on flying abilities. Not an indictment on those of you who always wanted to work for AT for various reasons. But it IS a seniority argument.

I've said it before- GK and CM hired arbitrators, and SLI specialists to formulate their list to what could be the reasonable outcome after arbitration. They submitted that list- they didn't just throw names in a hat at a BBQ-

We would have had a very similar list, years later had this been drug out to arbi-

So just get over it

 

[freightdogfred]

So, the argument is WN pilots are happy bc we get 1 more base? We had nine. Coast to coast, north to south. There are a few who are happy about that. So much for my superlative arguments. So there are some-. Your argument would hold more weight if your fortress hub was Nashville.
As far as quicker upgrades- I'm still pissed, bc all the junior FO's got 200 more AT's above us between the 1st and 2nd lists- while the angry FO crowd got a little bit quicker upgrade, I'll have 200 pilots senior to me the rest of my career-
Lesson learned on not backing other groups- stick to what affects you. (Should've learned that from the age 65 debate.

And hey phred, I'm Irish. Cursing doesn't make me either angry or classless. Just makes me irish(!)

And as far as skewed goes- please. SWA was a job that took years longer to get. That argument just doesn't fly to those of us who wanted to work at SWA and stuck with it until we got it instead of settling for an AT job I could've had a while back. That's reality. You just piss yourself off if you don't accept the FACT that AT was an easier job to get with lesser qualifications-
Good on you. Not an indictment on flying abilities. Not an indictment on those of you who always wanted to work for AT for various reasons. But it IS a seniority argument.

I've said it before- GK and CM hired arbitrators, and SLI specialists to formulate their list to what could be the reasonable outcome after arbitration. They submitted that list- they didn't just throw names in a hat at a BBQ-

We would have had a very similar list, years later had this been drug out to arbi-

So just get over it

I have never agreed with any of your arguments. I still don't now. My post was merely a rebuttal to Ghettobeechjet's post that FL upgrades will push WN ca's out of an ATL base, and nothing to do with your consistent ramblings about job desirability. So, I'll go have some more beer, you go pound some more salt up your azz, ok?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

By the very fact the whole list is so skewed in WN's favor, the really senior captains at FL will not have the horsepower to be pushing anyone out of atlanta. Not to mention the fact most of em are so old they fart dust, an ain't gonna be around much past 2015 anyhows. Be interesting to see how many WN captains above #1500 bid into ATL, that's where the rubber will meet the road. Seems i see more an more of them riding our crew bus.

Fred you do realize we are discussing a couple hundred slots out of 8000? Fact is that the vast majority of SWA Capts senior to all the AAI guys already live in base mostly in TX or AZ and are very close to retirement themselves. I of course could be wrong but I doubt many in that group will feel a burning need to move to ATL. Just based on time and demographics ATL will be a mostly AAI domicile in both seats until well after I retire.

 

[Amberjack]

With a gun to their heads! DH

Dude, go Rob another 7-11 and
claim that the clerk just handed you
the money.

Clueless!

If you got so "screwed" then you wouldn't mind the same list with the JetBlue guys then, right?