Southwest evaluates -800's

[BILL LUMBERG]

Wave...

The MEC wasn't all to blame. Too broad of a brush. Refresh me how we were "keeping your people down" like you claim......

Ever hear of the RJDC? They were hanging around looking to drop lawsuits overmisrepresentation. Not that they were taken seriously, but people were looking over DALPA's shoulders and you guys had a say in things.

 

[737tanker]

You are the "LCC" model like it or not. Before your time there, ask around and see if they got paid for going into holding.....the answer being no.

I've been at SWA for 16 years, and even before I got to SWA they had overfly pay, which basically paid for going into holding. Granted it didn't start until we had overflown the scheduled block by 12 minutes, it now starts at 5 minutes, but it was there for more than 20 years. So how far back do you want SWA pilots to look to see when there was no "holding" pay at SWA?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Thanks for making my point crystal 737Tanker......

You were the contract and work rules we had to adjust down to......it didn't happen right away though. I always got paid for holding, never had to fret over it.

 

[waveflyer]

Ok bill- a more measured response-

did a bk judge force you to release scope in 2006?

A simple question-

It's always easier to let others feel the financial pinch of competition rather than yourself- but seniority doesn't work if you divide up the lists

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok bill- a more measured response-

did a bk judge force you to release scope in 2006?

A simple question-

It's always easier to let others feel the financial pinch of competition rather than yourself- but seniority doesn't work if you divide up the lists

Question 1.....directly no, because it was negotiated under the threat of a judge making a ruling......THAT's not simple or easy to transcribe the whole process here....Anyway I voted no.....

Scope was actually tightened after the merger....truth!

You lost me on the whole divide the seniority thing (?!?!?!??) If you are stating that DCI pilots were any part of "the Lists"....then you haven't the first clue.

 

[ASADFW7]

you ********************ing delta idiots need to give it a rest, go ******************** your own threads up!!!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Way to go there ASA

He was just responding to a question posed by Weave.

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah - answering questions after another WN thread was hijacked by delta geeks.

I agree about after the merger- and I think delta guys are starting to get the damage done by outsourcing.

How about we wrap this up and just agree that our two companies are apples and oranges.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Weave, Historically speaking (1991-present) LUV and DAL are two totally different companies. What DAL did that LUV has not done is leverage the company and gone after the employees in CH11.

I do hope for all of my friends over at LUV that when UCAL, DAL and whatever AMR becomes once they get their integration done, then come after LUV with their full force, that LUV does not leverage the corporation. If they do, they will be taking the same path that many of the legacies did when LUV and JBLU starting cherry picking their markets.

Wanting scope changes was the first step way back when for DAL. In fact DAL did not even have a section one, and that was in all accounts the first hit that their PWA took. Look at the history from 1986 to present for DAL and make sure your corporation and association do not go along those paths.

I am glad that my buddies over at LUV love their job. I am glad it is a great corporation to work for. I just hope that does not change.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yeah - answering questions after another WN thread was hijacked by delta geeks.

I agree about after the merger- and I think delta guys are starting to get the damage done by outsourcing.

How about we wrap this up and just agree that our two companies are apples and oranges.

Agree about the wrap up.....

Disagree about the geek thing......but not everybody can wear a flag tie and leather jackets, so ya got me.

ASA needs to hike up his skirt and STFU.....

 

[waveflyer]

And not everyone could wear the doublebreast, admiral.

I'm lobbying for patches on the jacket though

 

[waveflyer]

Seriously- not everyone- there should be a weight limit on that coat too

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Deal.....Do you have your watch set to Central?

 

[waveflyer]

I got the small hands set-but herb time still screws with me.

 

[Tanker Clown]

I hear that if SWA gets the 800 that they probably won't hire for another 5 years or so. Any of you guys there hearing that?

 

[RyansDad]

5 yrs is a long time...I don't think anyone, including the guys and gals running the joint would make such a prediction so far out. I think they have a pretty good feel for the next 1-2yrs but as we all know things change fast, for better and worse...Hopefully better days are ahead for everyone.

 

[Moon-dog]

He is a doom and gloom idiot, just ignore him. He thinks he has the inside line.

 

[RedDogC130]

I hear that if SWA gets the 800 that they probably won't hire for another 5 years or so. Any of you guys there hearing that?

If that keeps you off the property, that is fine w me.

 

[Tanker Clown]

He is a doom and gloom idiot, just ignore him. He thinks he has the inside line.

But...I tend to be right! I told you, my buddy was a big time guy in the pilot union. Now he's in real tight with the CEO. In fact, when the pilots turned down the contract, he got called back to Dallas by the brass to give them the inside scoop on the pilot rationale on turning down the first contract.

So, it sounds like 2013 is a good estimate for hiring. So no new hires 2008-2013. If you remember, you guys gave me grief when I said they wouldn't hire in 2009 or 2010. Then you really started in on me for saying no hiring in 2011. Well, I was right. No it looks like 2012 is probably out.

My friend told me that even though the numbers have been good, they want to see better margins prior to increasing the fleet. And those goals are still a long way away. Sorry guys.

 

[Moon-dog]

You were also the tool who said no hiring in late 07 and 08, how did that work out for you? You should go to work with the Gen and Scope, they are more your speed.