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Wow, just wow...anyone who wishes another pilot group ill, should not be in our world...

Tell it to your own Tom Winsor. From what I hear, this was part of his testimony at the DRC arbitration:

Attorney: Is it not true that the Southwest pilots would have been thrilled if the AirTran pilots wouldn't have been integrated?

Winsor: Oh yeah! Probably so.

Save your sanctimony about not wishing ill on other pilot groups. The SWA pilots and their "union" have done nothing but wish ill on us since this whole process started.
 
Well, there are actually two examples. Denver is the precedent and the airport was mot Stapleton. The other example is Dallas. The agreement you eventually could not wiggle out of stated it would be in Dallas' best interest to have only one FIS. So you come to Houston knowing full well you've got nothing but problems for everybody but your own airline.

Sorry, but you're wrong again.

The FAA declined to allow a second DEN airport to open to international traffic, due to airspace saturation and limitations alone (the TCA ends abruptly at the mountains). There simply isn't enough airspace to maneuver the expected international traffic for two separate airports. It was not a matter of "splitting" any FIS. It's not as if there can only be so many people in uniform. The government will just hire more employees for these additional needs, as it is paid for by the additional passenger charges. As many FIS's as needed or required, no problem.

No such airspace issue exists in Houston. I believe I already pointed this out to you from FAA materials that you provided way back when, when you mistakenly thought it supported your claims. It has nothing to do with the wishes of the mayor. Either for or against. The FAA is obligated to provide service when requested by an airline, as long as there is no legitimate airspace issue like there was in Denver.

For your other example, as far as Dallas Love goes, once again you're wrong with your attempted history rewrite. No surprise there. The prohibition on international flying out Love in the 2006 compromise has NOTHING to do with the "best interests" of the cities. Nothing whatsoever. Nobody even pretended that, or "stated" that in in the agreement. Southwest's agreeing to forego international flying from DAL was purely a political concession to American Airlines to achieve the compromise that finally ended the Wright Amendment. The only entity whose "interests" were protected was that of American Airlines, because while they would now have to compete head-to-head with us domestically in Dallas, they were spared having to also compete with us internationally.

This is kind of what Unical tried to do in Houston. Straight political maneuvering, while pretending it was for the "good" of the city. Unfortunately, you guys didn't buy a powerful enough politician, like American did. They had the Speaker of the House in their pocket in 1979, who snuck in a federal law that hobbled Southwest, to prevent us from competing with them. The Wright Amendment cost Dallas citizens untold millions in higher airfares, by preventing competition.

Any more questions or ridiculous assertions? I'll be happy to set you straight!

Bubba
 
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Tell it to your own Tom Winsor. From what I hear, this was part of his testimony at the DRC arbitration:

Attorney: Is it not true that the Southwest pilots would have been thrilled if the AirTran pilots wouldn't have been integrated?

Winsor: Oh yeah! Probably so.

Save your sanctimony about not wishing ill on other pilot groups. The SWA pilots and their "union" have done nothing but wish ill on us since this whole process started.

Really? You're relying on hearsay now? Didn't you scold someone else on this forum for that very thing?

And there's a big difference between negotiating your own interests over your adversaries, and wishing some other group ill will just on general principles. With your logic, your negotiators wanting relative seniority also equates to "wishing another pilot group ill will."

Besides, wishing we hadn't bought AirTran is not "wishing you ill." Heck, most of the AirTran posters on this board profess to wish the same thing.

Bubba
 
No, ill will would be hoping something bad happened to another group, like lets say their company struggles, bankruptcy and concessions follow...something I expect you would love to see happen to SWA and it's pilots, which sounds odd coming from a former AAI/ALPA official...I mean you would be wishing I'll will toward ur former constituents, oh, I forgot, they r just cowards...u really are something...
 
Really? You're relying on hearsay now?

You'll just have to trust me on this one. It was said.

With your logic, your negotiators wanting relative seniority also equates to "wishing another pilot group ill will."

Not that I agree with your premise, but our negotiators never asked for relative.

Besides, wishing we hadn't bought AirTran is not "wishing you ill."

Agreed, but that wasn't his testimony. His testimony was about "plan B" and non-integration after the purchase had already happened. It wasn't about not being bought in the first place.
 
Tell it to your own Tom Winsor. From what I hear, this was part of his testimony at the DRC arbitration:

Attorney: Is it not true that the Southwest pilots would have been thrilled if the AirTran pilots wouldn't have been integrated?

Winsor: Oh yeah! Probably so.

Save your sanctimony about not wishing ill on other pilot groups. The SWA pilots and their "union" have done nothing but wish ill on us since this whole process started.
And you would have been thrilled if you got relative, so what.
 
You'll just have to trust me on this one. It was said.



Not that I agree with your premise, but our negotiators never asked for relative.



Agreed, but that wasn't his testimony. His testimony was about "plan B" and non-integration after the purchase had already happened. It wasn't about not being bought in the first place.
There was no plan B for the company, it was either everyone vote yes, or move to arbitration and continue. Plan B was a wet dream of childish no voting SWA pilots which had no basis in fact, GK was going to get one airline with everyone onboard.
 
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There was no plan B for the company, it was either everyone vote yes, or move to arbitration and continue. Plan B was a wet dream of childish no voting SWA pilots which had no basis in fact, GK was going to get one airline with everyone onboard.

I agree. But I'm in the minority on that one over here.
 
And you would have been thrilled if you got relative, so what.

Relative wouldn't have harmed you in any significant way, so the comparison is not valid.
 
No ill will, I wish all AAI pilots got jobs at SWA, just wish they were all stapled, I also wish I didn't have to work...
 
Relative wouldn't have harmed you in any significant way, so the comparison is not valid.
Absolute rubbish and you know it. As has been stated ad nauseam, the AirTran group is much younger than the SWA group. You know that placing younger pilots on the seniority list in front of you causes much harm. You simply try and laugh it off and state that arbiters don't care what happens down the road and are only concerned with the present. It is as ridiculous a presumption as most of your posts concerning your all knowing wisdom about how arbiters will rule on any and all things.
 
Absolute rubbish and you know it. As has been stated ad nauseam, the AirTran group is much younger than the SWA group. You know that placing younger pilots on the seniority list in front of you causes much harm. You simply try and laugh it off and state that arbiters don't care what happens down the road and are only concerned with the present. It is as ridiculous a presumption as most of your posts concerning your all knowing wisdom about how arbiters will rule on any and all things.

My "wisdom" starts with knowing that the word is arbitrator, not arbiter. Once you've gotten that part down, get back to me.
 
Completely false, and you know it. As I pointed out in the longer thread on this topic 6 or 8 months ago. The FAA is perfectly within its right to decline to open a second FIS in a certain municipality. Denver was the example. Houston's mayor wanted it, so the FAA went along. If CAL was still around, or even more correctly, if it was another airline other than SWA, this wouldn't be happening. CAL did nothing that was not above board. We participated thoroughly in all manner of civic and political support.

Curious. Midway has two city controlled international gates. Porter uses them as does AirTran to CUN. Why no freak out with O'hare? Same two airlines, same size airports to compare. I see more international service in the future out Midway as well. Maybe even going north.
 

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