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My 2 cents worth.
I don't know anyone on this board but I can speak for the hundreds of SWA pilots that I have met while jumpseating.They have always made me feel at home when on their turf and have always been friendly and respectful while jumpseating on my plane. SWA pilots have always been friendly and welcoming in the terminal or at the layover, and have always treated me the same regardless of this "code share" thing.
Does SWA have their 10%, I have only met a few that I wouldn't drink with but I can say that about my own. Are they getting cocky cause they are the big dogs now? Some might but I'll tell ya, I can remember being treated like dirt by many UAL crews when they were the big dogs and I haven't seen this from any of the SWA crews.
Oh and by the way. I have jumpseated on many Gulfstream aircraft and they ALWAYS have treated me like family too, you guys are always welcomed on any ATA plane.
I don't know anyone on this board but I can speak for the hundreds of SWA pilots that I have met while jumpseating.They have always made me feel at home when on their turf and have always been friendly and respectful while jumpseating on my plane. SWA pilots have always been friendly and welcoming in the terminal or at the layover, and have always treated me the same regardless of this "code share" thing.
Does SWA have their 10%, I have only met a few that I wouldn't drink with but I can say that about my own. Are they getting cocky cause they are the big dogs now? Some might but I'll tell ya, I can remember being treated like dirt by many UAL crews when they were the big dogs and I haven't seen this from any of the SWA crews.
Oh and by the way. I have jumpseated on many Gulfstream aircraft and they ALWAYS have treated me like family too, you guys are always welcomed on any ATA plane.
pipejockey said:
Laughing stock??? Gee, I never saw that even when I was at my old legacy carrier. What I did see at my old legacy carrier was straight out fear whenever SWA came into one of our markets.
I also saw more failed strategies from our legacy carrier management than I care to remember. I also saw a management that constantly responded to ideas from the rank and file with the standard, "You fly....we manage."
I really fail to see how the failed strategies from my old legacy carrier were any fault of SWA's. Did Kelleher actually have that kind of sway to where he could call another airline CEO and tell him how to manage? Your statement about bringing dsown everyone else's pay sure makes it sound that way.
However, if he did....Herb then really is bigger than life.
For me, I saw the writing on the wall and voluntary left my old legacy carrier in 1998, when everybody was hiring and only applied at SWA...I got the job and I've been happy ever since. Even my old legacy chief pilot told be back then that I was making the right decision. I could see where my old legacy carrier was going....and they got there....just as I thought they would.
As to another posters comment about nobody showing up for class before 9-11....the "few" who did show up for class back then, you might be happy to know that they are hitting the books as they are getting verrrrry close to Captain upgrade.
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Actually, there were only 2 airlines that were in favor of Deregulation. The rest knew what that would do when they really had to compete without gov't. intervention on cost, ticket prices or routes.
Who were the only 2 airlines in favor of Deregulation? United and some small 10 airplane outfit flying out of Love Field down in Texas.
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Once again! You are trying to use an off topic point to make me look wrong. BTW, there were a lot of places (almost all places that werent sewing shops) that didnt hire women. But girls can work in strip clubs and make 3000 dollars a week to get naked. Guys can't. HA!
You are welcome any time! We love to have all others aboard including ATA and SWA pilots.
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The_Russian said:
Oops, ya got me. I assumed you paid for an FO position at Gulfstream International Airlines, in other words you paid the airline to do work. I only had about 1500 TT and 1300 multi when I got hired- I'm sure I was qualified to fly for GIA, but that door was shut and tens of thousands of dollars was the key. Sorry, I assumed you paid.
Mmmokay.
But I find it hard for anyone who advocates a full on pay-for-job scenario able to point any fingers for any reason. Yes, it completely and utterly discredits that person if they point to anything other than a mirror and say, "That's a detriment to the airline industry."
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Thought I read an article a while back saying that 75% of their fuel for '06 was at some rediculously low price thanks to fuel hedging. Apparently thay run out of hedged fuel in '08 or '09.
Right now, Southwest is able to undrbid all the majors on ticket price. What are your guys' thoughts on the success of Southwest once they start paying the same prices for fuel that everyone else is paying?
Right now, Southwest is able to undrbid all the majors on ticket price. What are your guys' thoughts on the success of Southwest once they start paying the same prices for fuel that everyone else is paying?
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[SIZE=-1](Austin American-Statesman © 05/16/2006)[/SIZE]
EDITORIAL BOARD
Tuesday, May 16, 2006
While a jury in Houston gets ready to pass judgment on the former chairman and president of Enron Corp., whose spectacular collapse into financial ruin in 2001 destroyed thousands of jobs, it's good to be reminded that employees at some high-flying companies have prospered.
A New York Times story this week highlighted 17 employees who joined Dallas-based Southwest Airline at its founding in 1971 and remain on its payroll. Not only have they spent 35 years at the airline drawing a paycheck, they've also benefited enormously from a profit-sharing plan, which in the early years included company stock. The stock's value has soared since then, and the 17 each have become millionaires.
Only four of the 17 are executives. The rest are eight flight attendants and five operations workers — frontline workers dealing with passengers and aircraft daily. All 17 could quit or retire, but their work ethic, job satisfaction and even their loyalty to the company — there's something you don't hear much about anymore — keep them going each work day to the Boeing 737s, ticket counters, gates and luggage carts.
Remarkably, Southwest Airlines has managed to retain something of its outsider, taking-on-the-establishment image and corporate attitude even as it has grown into the airline industry's gold standard — all the airlines want to be as profitable and as well run as Southwest. There was a time when Southwest was dismissed as an airborne bus line. But in business there's nothing quite as glamorous as 32 straight years of profitability, as Southwest can boast.
Of course, Southwest is in better shape in part because it doesn't offer employees what used to be taken for granted — a defined benefit pension plan. The older airlines are struggling to meet those old pension obligations or to scale them down, at employee expense. Southwest, in contrast, provides employees a generous 401(k) investment plan and a profit-sharing benefit, both of which help limit the airline's exposure to future costs but also requires of employees much self-discipline in saving for their future.
In days of declining job security, it's good to see a major, high-profile corporation such as Southwest that manages both to satisfy customers and reward employees for long, hard work. The jury in Houston is getting a down-and-dirty look at the other end of the corporate spectrum.
[SIZE=-1](Austin American-Statesman © 05/16/2006)[/SIZE]
EDITORIAL BOARD
Tuesday, May 16, 2006
While a jury in Houston gets ready to pass judgment on the former chairman and president of Enron Corp., whose spectacular collapse into financial ruin in 2001 destroyed thousands of jobs, it's good to be reminded that employees at some high-flying companies have prospered.
A New York Times story this week highlighted 17 employees who joined Dallas-based Southwest Airline at its founding in 1971 and remain on its payroll. Not only have they spent 35 years at the airline drawing a paycheck, they've also benefited enormously from a profit-sharing plan, which in the early years included company stock. The stock's value has soared since then, and the 17 each have become millionaires.
Only four of the 17 are executives. The rest are eight flight attendants and five operations workers — frontline workers dealing with passengers and aircraft daily. All 17 could quit or retire, but their work ethic, job satisfaction and even their loyalty to the company — there's something you don't hear much about anymore — keep them going each work day to the Boeing 737s, ticket counters, gates and luggage carts.
Remarkably, Southwest Airlines has managed to retain something of its outsider, taking-on-the-establishment image and corporate attitude even as it has grown into the airline industry's gold standard — all the airlines want to be as profitable and as well run as Southwest. There was a time when Southwest was dismissed as an airborne bus line. But in business there's nothing quite as glamorous as 32 straight years of profitability, as Southwest can boast.
Of course, Southwest is in better shape in part because it doesn't offer employees what used to be taken for granted — a defined benefit pension plan. The older airlines are struggling to meet those old pension obligations or to scale them down, at employee expense. Southwest, in contrast, provides employees a generous 401(k) investment plan and a profit-sharing benefit, both of which help limit the airline's exposure to future costs but also requires of employees much self-discipline in saving for their future.
In days of declining job security, it's good to see a major, high-profile corporation such as Southwest that manages both to satisfy customers and reward employees for long, hard work. The jury in Houston is getting a down-and-dirty look at the other end of the corporate spectrum.
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This is all to funny
15 years ago I used to JS on UAL all the time. These guys thought they were God's gift to aviation. At that time I flew for American Eagle and we rode with the AA crews from the parking lot at SFO. These guys and the F/A included wouldn't even talk to us much less look at us. Now that SWA is kicking a$$ the legacy's can't take it. 10 years from now some other airline will be king of the hill and everyone will be pissed at them.
If SWA/FO had been hired years ago at Alaska he would think they were the greatest, we all think our airline is the best at some point, if not always. If I was at SWA right now I'd probably toot my horn too.
BIG DEAL!
15 years ago I used to JS on UAL all the time. These guys thought they were God's gift to aviation. At that time I flew for American Eagle and we rode with the AA crews from the parking lot at SFO. These guys and the F/A included wouldn't even talk to us much less look at us. Now that SWA is kicking a$$ the legacy's can't take it. 10 years from now some other airline will be king of the hill and everyone will be pissed at them.
If SWA/FO had been hired years ago at Alaska he would think they were the greatest, we all think our airline is the best at some point, if not always. If I was at SWA right now I'd probably toot my horn too.
BIG DEAL!
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mach zero said:
No....because I don't have anything against SWA pilots (except that some drink a little too much kool-aid).
Pilots are not the ones making corporate decisions. Any pilot that can't understand that and thinks I should feel guilty about asking for a j/s from a captain that has nothing to do with screwing other airlines needs psychological help.
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