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Sorry Colgan, but you will not be as lucky as Mesaba

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When Phil was running PNCL it was a giant shell game were Phil was hiding losses. Now the new management team is tasked with cleaning up the mess. The disaster was going to happen with or without Mesaba. Mesaba just accelerated the time line. Flyer you can waist as much time as you want complaining about the past bit you can not change what happened.
 
Two words .. "old contact" That's why Pinacle made money. So we have to go back to that, unwind the integrated lists. Furlough as needed from those lists (in seniority order) and try again.

A very elegant and logical solution...9e 120 or so CRJ-200s and XJ's 40 or so 900s
9L...0 Qs and 0 Saab's
Net result 1/3 of pilots getting a pink slip and that's assuming Delta wants all the 50-seaters, of which I am guessing 40 or so gone, so another 400 pilots furloughed. Leaving Pinnacle Airlines with their original 80-90 crjs, except this time NO contract and 5 years to recapitalize the company because after 2017, the party is really over.
Maybe an asset/equity sale? Hostile takeover? It's all up for grabs...
 
All this talk about Delta's cutting Pinnacle's 200. Who's to say Delta is going after Pinnacle's 200? Why not go after Chautauqua 50 seaters, or ASA or Skywest CRJ. What about the remaining Comair's 50 seater?
 
All this talk about Delta's cutting Pinnacle's 200. Who's to say Delta is going after Pinnacle's 200? Why not go after Chautauqua 50 seaters, or ASA or Skywest CRJ. What about the remaining Comair's 50 seater?
Well, Delta has raped comair, I believe chatauqua's contract is up shortly, they have taken 200's from ASA, don't know about skywest. Wouldn't be surprised to see them go after some from Pinnacle.
 
Furloughing out of seniority is a none-starter...

Not when your airline declares bankruptcy and files motion 1113e.


The disaster was going to happen with or without Mesaba.
No way. The disaster happened because of purchasing and integrating Mesaba, a carrier going from 90+ airplanes down to 60. Those who would have otherwise been downgraded and furloughed instead found free seats at Pinnacle at a huge expense to Pinnacle. It would have been much cheaper for Pinnacle to upgrade their own and train their own. Adding to the fire was Colgan's integration. Since we purchased them in 2007, they were both run ok as separate companies. The disaster has been directly caused by the slow integration process, but mostly due to the one seniority list, the Bloch conditions and lack of airline fence, and the huge training events that then ensued.
 
Why it all happenned is irrelevant at this point. At this point there is nothing the pilots can do to save the day, but if they balk at the inevitable they will screw themselves royally. If it goes to bk


-the Agreement goes out the window - including scope and seniority list rights. The company will demonstrste to a judge that to save the company the scope provisions must go so they can sell Colgan. Seniority list rights will also get trashed - they must furlough the pilots that are in the seats that leave the property or they won't have the cash to continue


-if the TP staff doesn't get cheaper than Commute air the D-8's will go there. The Commute air guys have been seeing smoke from their management about PCL.


-if the CRJ 900 staff doesn't get cheaper than GO Jets guess where they are going.


-DAL may use the opportunity to park more 50 seaters. A good chunk of PCL's200's are doing essential air service routes that weren't profitable with 30 seat Saab's.


If the big cheese can get the big players to agree to a work out outside of BK the pilots better not screw up the deal. They will be looking at -a small pay cut - longer seat locks (not fences) - and some work rule give backs. They will also know the numbers that will get fuloughed. Push it into BK and your contract and pay rates will get gutted - after half of you are on the street. Any body remember what Anderson did to Champion after he sold them?
 
Why it all happenned is irrelevant at this point. At this point there is nothing the pilots can do to save the day, but if they balk at the inevitable they will screw themselves royally. If it goes to bk


-the Agreement goes out the window - including scope and seniority list rights. The company will demonstrste to a judge that to save the company the scope provisions must go so they can sell Colgan. Seniority list rights will also get trashed - they must furlough the pilots that are in the seats that leave the property or they won't have the cash to continue


-if the TP staff doesn't get cheaper than Commute air the D-8's will go there. The Commute air guys have been seeing smoke from their management about PCL.


-if the CRJ 900 staff doesn't get cheaper than GO Jets guess where they are going.


-DAL may use the opportunity to park more 50 seaters. A good chunk of PCL's200's are doing essential air service routes that weren't profitable with 30 seat Saab's.


If the big cheese can get the big players to agree to a work out outside of BK the pilots better not screw up the deal. They will be looking at -a small pay cut - longer seat locks (not fences) - and some work rule give backs. They will also know the numbers that will get fuloughed. Push it into BK and your contract and pay rates will get gutted - after half of you are on the street. Any body remember what Anderson did to Champion after he sold them?

I guess it's BK then. I'd rather go sell cars then give back an inch of this crap contract. Sorry lifers, the job ain't worth it anymore.
 
Not when your airline declares bankruptcy and files motion 1113e.

Whether a judge can legally abrogate seniority rights is highly questionable, even under 1113(e) or (c). It's never happened. What is more likely is that the judge would offset the training costs by allowing even further wage reductions or productivity improvements. Your dream of furloughing people out of seniority order (which is absolutely horrible, by the way) isn't likely to happen.
 
Your dream of furloughing people out of seniority order (which is absolutely horrible, by the way) isn't likely to happen.
The concept of "seniority" (as I knew it) died the day the Bloch award/list came out.
 
The 200 flying being profitable for PNCL does not mean it is for DAL. The Q400 flying for UAL is bad for PNCL because Colgan underbid just to get the contract. DAL would love to have an airplane that carries 30% more customers for 40% less fuel burn. The 200 pilots have more to worry about in the long term.
 

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