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trainerjet
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Palerider957
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Actually many companies and municipalities are taking this no nicotine stance. I believe the foundation is the health care costs incurred from insuring smokers, not to mention the extra sick days smokers take off compared to non-smokers.
Employee groups are tired of having to pay extra premiums for smokers, even when they don't smoke.
Look at the military, no one is allowed to smoke in basic training and smoking is actively discouraged--again due to huge health care costs.
Employee groups are tired of having to pay extra premiums for smokers, even when they don't smoke.
Look at the military, no one is allowed to smoke in basic training and smoking is actively discouraged--again due to huge health care costs.
WrightAvia
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Yea...health care costs of smokers. The states sued to get money from big tobacco companies. Then that jack ass Jim Doyle, soon to ex-governor, took the money in a lump sum to pay off the state deficit. By negotiating a lump sum, the state sold their settlement for pennies on the dollar. No money left over to take care of the smokers. Guess it's time to sue again.
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Second hand smoke doesn't do any harm -- what a moron -- what a maroon.
I personally knew a retired TWA pilot who developed lung cancer later in life; he never smoked. His doctors (plural) told him in NO uncertain terms that all those years of being locked up with guys who smoked all day in the cockpit had a direct, causal relationship to him developing cancer.
I personally knew a retired TWA pilot who developed lung cancer later in life; he never smoked. His doctors (plural) told him in NO uncertain terms that all those years of being locked up with guys who smoked all day in the cockpit had a direct, causal relationship to him developing cancer.
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It's kind of funny how so many people from average Joes to corupt politicians are trying to ban smoking.
Just the other night I was driving home and I was forced off to the side of the road by someone who was obviously drunk. I happened to be smoking at the time. When I thought about it later while I was laying in bed, I remembered an overnight in Tampa last month. I found it ironic that I could not smoke in the bar/restaurant where someone could possibly get drunk enough to potentially kill someone that night.
When was the last time anyone got forced off to the side of the road by a smoker?
It seems our government (state, local, etc.) is telling us it's o.k. to kill someone tonight after drinking, but we don't want people to die after years of tobacco use. Our government tried to outlaw alcohol once, right? It didn't work.
I know that smoking puts me at risk for health problems in the future, but I do it anyway. Why? It's my choice.
I know that drinking alcohol also puts people at risk for health problems. Again, it's a choice.
I totally agree that a smoker has an obligation, especially in uniform, to use discretion on where he or she indulges. When I am in uniform I try to find the most secluded area I can to smoke. Ironically, most employee smoker areas at airports are in fairly hidden areas anyway, if they have one at all.
People are going to smoke. People are going to drink. Little kids are going to pee in pools. Management will screw workers. Gravity will make a 36-24-30 woman a 24-36-40. We are all going to die someday. Unfortunately, these are ALL facts. Life is too short as it is to worry about things we cannot change.
The next time some drunk runs you off the road, ask yourself if that smoker is REALLY bothering you.
Just the other night I was driving home and I was forced off to the side of the road by someone who was obviously drunk. I happened to be smoking at the time. When I thought about it later while I was laying in bed, I remembered an overnight in Tampa last month. I found it ironic that I could not smoke in the bar/restaurant where someone could possibly get drunk enough to potentially kill someone that night.
When was the last time anyone got forced off to the side of the road by a smoker?
It seems our government (state, local, etc.) is telling us it's o.k. to kill someone tonight after drinking, but we don't want people to die after years of tobacco use. Our government tried to outlaw alcohol once, right? It didn't work.
I know that smoking puts me at risk for health problems in the future, but I do it anyway. Why? It's my choice.
I know that drinking alcohol also puts people at risk for health problems. Again, it's a choice.
I totally agree that a smoker has an obligation, especially in uniform, to use discretion on where he or she indulges. When I am in uniform I try to find the most secluded area I can to smoke. Ironically, most employee smoker areas at airports are in fairly hidden areas anyway, if they have one at all.
People are going to smoke. People are going to drink. Little kids are going to pee in pools. Management will screw workers. Gravity will make a 36-24-30 woman a 24-36-40. We are all going to die someday. Unfortunately, these are ALL facts. Life is too short as it is to worry about things we cannot change.
The next time some drunk runs you off the road, ask yourself if that smoker is REALLY bothering you.
Freightdog75
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How is it legal for a company(Alaska Airlines) to not hire someone on the basis of being a tobacco user or not? That sounds to me like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
As far as being a smoker............Yup, I'm one. I fly 95% of the time single pilot so who cares about what I look like and smell like. When it does matter I always have gum/mint and don't usually wear the coat that I went to the bar in the night before.
FD75
As far as being a smoker............Yup, I'm one. I fly 95% of the time single pilot so who cares about what I look like and smell like. When it does matter I always have gum/mint and don't usually wear the coat that I went to the bar in the night before.
FD75
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What a bunch a new age bull $hit! Any
of you buttwholes that are ranting about
clean air refuse to drive cars because of
what they do to the air? How bout this...
you are on an aviation wibsite, dipstick!
How many airplanes have catalitic
converters!!! Quit flying your airplane
around because of what they do to the
environment and I will listen to your idiotic
"eww, you are polluting my air with your
cigs" bull$hit! All the smokers in the planet
don't affect as much air as much as the man
made machinery does, so get off of it unless
your sole means of transport is a bike...and
look up the environmental costs of producing
that bike are before you come back! (and the
Nike factory in Malasia for that part).
There is nothing that pisses me off as much
as a feel good liberal telling someone that
they can't do something because it offends
them. What a crock of fuquing $hit! I wear
leather and eat beef and want to see you
puke when I send a stream of baccyjuice
on about a fifteen foot arc over the ramp!
All yall are full of frigging double standards
and it pi$$es me off! If I see you I will light
up the biggest, stinkiest stogie I can find till
you start practicing not doing any harm to the
air, trees, groundwater (let's see ya not crap
for the rest of your life) scorpions,
cockroaches, blackwidows, cyotes (after it
drags your kid off) brown recluses, gnats,
mosquitoes, blah blah and etc.
Is that a real fur you're wearing???
I'm a member of PETA...People for the Eating
of Tasty Animals!
of you buttwholes that are ranting about
clean air refuse to drive cars because of
what they do to the air? How bout this...
you are on an aviation wibsite, dipstick!
How many airplanes have catalitic
converters!!! Quit flying your airplane
around because of what they do to the
environment and I will listen to your idiotic
"eww, you are polluting my air with your
cigs" bull$hit! All the smokers in the planet
don't affect as much air as much as the man
made machinery does, so get off of it unless
your sole means of transport is a bike...and
look up the environmental costs of producing
that bike are before you come back! (and the
Nike factory in Malasia for that part).
There is nothing that pisses me off as much
as a feel good liberal telling someone that
they can't do something because it offends
them. What a crock of fuquing $hit! I wear
leather and eat beef and want to see you
puke when I send a stream of baccyjuice
on about a fifteen foot arc over the ramp!
All yall are full of frigging double standards
and it pi$$es me off! If I see you I will light
up the biggest, stinkiest stogie I can find till
you start practicing not doing any harm to the
air, trees, groundwater (let's see ya not crap
for the rest of your life) scorpions,
cockroaches, blackwidows, cyotes (after it
drags your kid off) brown recluses, gnats,
mosquitoes, blah blah and etc.
Is that a real fur you're wearing???
I'm a member of PETA...People for the Eating
of Tasty Animals!
A personal story about a pilot that smoked.
I got hired in 1980 by a company called Mississippi Valley. I took my new hire oral & flight check from the then director of training. During the oral, I was asked to recite from memory the cap panel lights on the Shorts 330. I got all but one of them and stoped. The director of training said, very good, but you are one short, then proceded to light a cig right in front of my face. "Um, Fire" I said, trembling. Correct! was his response, Lets go flying!
Fast forward about 20 years, to a 12 month sim check in the CRJ at ACA. My former mentor and I have been friends all this time and today we are paired together as co-captain training partners. I'm psyched, as since for the last decade we have both been senior captains and never got to fly together. Unfortunately for my mentor, the sim session is not going well. His attention to the profiles is off, and he is edgy. During the break (outside the building so he can smoke) he tells me he hasn't been well lately and apologises for not doing well. No problem I say, we will get through the ride together or come back to it another day.
Several weeks later I'm sitting in the crew lounge and a junior FO walks up to me. Do you know captain so and so? Sure do, been buddies for years, whatzup? Well, he is really missing things flying and told me to watch him closely as he doesn't feel well, should I go to pro standards on this? Um, yes, lets see what we can find out, I'll talk to capt X, you go to pro standards.
The next week I find out that my buddy, who has smoked all his life has lung cancer and is retiring immediately, years before the manditory age. My friend was buried less than 18 months later.
In a perfect world I would be going to his retirement party right about now. Instead, I went up a number years too early. All of his 401K money was spent fighting the cancer and for his last year of living expenses, leaving his wife pennyless.
Think about this guys, and leave the cancer sticks out of your life.
I got hired in 1980 by a company called Mississippi Valley. I took my new hire oral & flight check from the then director of training. During the oral, I was asked to recite from memory the cap panel lights on the Shorts 330. I got all but one of them and stoped. The director of training said, very good, but you are one short, then proceded to light a cig right in front of my face. "Um, Fire" I said, trembling. Correct! was his response, Lets go flying!
Fast forward about 20 years, to a 12 month sim check in the CRJ at ACA. My former mentor and I have been friends all this time and today we are paired together as co-captain training partners. I'm psyched, as since for the last decade we have both been senior captains and never got to fly together. Unfortunately for my mentor, the sim session is not going well. His attention to the profiles is off, and he is edgy. During the break (outside the building so he can smoke) he tells me he hasn't been well lately and apologises for not doing well. No problem I say, we will get through the ride together or come back to it another day.
Several weeks later I'm sitting in the crew lounge and a junior FO walks up to me. Do you know captain so and so? Sure do, been buddies for years, whatzup? Well, he is really missing things flying and told me to watch him closely as he doesn't feel well, should I go to pro standards on this? Um, yes, lets see what we can find out, I'll talk to capt X, you go to pro standards.
The next week I find out that my buddy, who has smoked all his life has lung cancer and is retiring immediately, years before the manditory age. My friend was buried less than 18 months later.
In a perfect world I would be going to his retirement party right about now. Instead, I went up a number years too early. All of his 401K money was spent fighting the cancer and for his last year of living expenses, leaving his wife pennyless.
Think about this guys, and leave the cancer sticks out of your life.
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>>How many airplanes have catalitic
converters!!! <<
You are OBVIOUSLY a smoker because that was the stupiest comment I have read. I don't know of ANY turbine aircraft that burn "gasoline" that require the chemical burnoff from a catalyc convertor.
And as far as your clean air defense, how would you feel if I put a hose on a dump truck and routed it right into your face while I stomped on the pedal? Gee, would you complain? Would you like it? Hey its a free country right? Why couldnt I do this? Because I respect that you might want to breathe clean air.
Fur coats? Hmm, when was the last time someone wearing a fur coat caused health problems to the non fur coat wearer?
Our government has made several good steps (although in typical slow fashion) towards cleaner burning vehicles, etc. If you drive anything newer than a '95 vehicle than you are doing your part.
Cigs were the same way, no one knew (gen pop that is) they were harmful back in the 70s, but now that we know the gov is taking steps to rectify that situation, just like vehicles.
So go cry liberal to someone else. Fast forward twenty years when you cant breathe and then say, hmm, it was my chioce and I'm GLAD I smoked. So go light up. Proven fact, every cigarette takes 6 minutes of your life. Here, let me buy you a carton.
converters!!! <<
You are OBVIOUSLY a smoker because that was the stupiest comment I have read. I don't know of ANY turbine aircraft that burn "gasoline" that require the chemical burnoff from a catalyc convertor.
And as far as your clean air defense, how would you feel if I put a hose on a dump truck and routed it right into your face while I stomped on the pedal? Gee, would you complain? Would you like it? Hey its a free country right? Why couldnt I do this? Because I respect that you might want to breathe clean air.
Fur coats? Hmm, when was the last time someone wearing a fur coat caused health problems to the non fur coat wearer?
Our government has made several good steps (although in typical slow fashion) towards cleaner burning vehicles, etc. If you drive anything newer than a '95 vehicle than you are doing your part.
Cigs were the same way, no one knew (gen pop that is) they were harmful back in the 70s, but now that we know the gov is taking steps to rectify that situation, just like vehicles.
So go cry liberal to someone else. Fast forward twenty years when you cant breathe and then say, hmm, it was my chioce and I'm GLAD I smoked. So go light up. Proven fact, every cigarette takes 6 minutes of your life. Here, let me buy you a carton.
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Tim47SIP
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Mrhat
Firstly, there is NO evidence that second hand smoke does any harm to anyone, it will not hurt you. May annoy you but it wont hurt you. So lets stop with the BS now. You can walk into one of those smoking lounges once a day for the rest of you're life and you wont develope cancer from it.
(On a side note, If I were you, I'd avoid leaving the country because the rest of the world arent PC and they dont impose their views on the smokers. This is the only country in the world that smokers are treated like criminals.)
Well dood, you are "dead" wrong on both accounts. Just a little bit of research will set you in the right direction. Both of these subject are well documented.
Firstly, there is NO evidence that second hand smoke does any harm to anyone, it will not hurt you. May annoy you but it wont hurt you. So lets stop with the BS now. You can walk into one of those smoking lounges once a day for the rest of you're life and you wont develope cancer from it.
(On a side note, If I were you, I'd avoid leaving the country because the rest of the world arent PC and they dont impose their views on the smokers. This is the only country in the world that smokers are treated like criminals.)
Well dood, you are "dead" wrong on both accounts. Just a little bit of research will set you in the right direction. Both of these subject are well documented.
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Snakum
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It is the right of every American to kill themselves in whatever manner they see fit. If they wanna smoke ... have at it. I don't care, as long as they're considerate of the smell and the butts. I smoke sometimes, but not regularly, and I always try to wash up and hit some chewing gum afterward, and I am very conscious of what I do with the left-overs (I field-strip them and throw the filter in the trash). You guys on the soapbox remind me of the do-gooders who gave us helmet laws.
Remember ...
There are lies, d@mn lies, and statistics. Live and let live, and quit whining about things that really aren't any of your business, fer Christ's sakes.
Minh
Remember ...
There are lies, d@mn lies, and statistics. Live and let live, and quit whining about things that really aren't any of your business, fer Christ's sakes.
Minh
TonyC
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That sounds great, but it's not exactly true.Snakum said:
First, there are laws that prohibit many manners of death.
Second, inasmuch as some behaviors cost society as a whole, society has a right to voice an objection. Off the top of my head I can see two ways that smoking costs society as a whole. First, the burden imposed on the government in dealing with the results of smoking is passed on to the taxpayer -- US. (I'm not happy with that arrangement, but that's another subject.) Second, the burden imposed on insurance underwriters is passed on to the policy holders that pay increased premiums or enjoy reduced benefits.
So, while it is legal for a non-minor to kill himself by smoking, it is not a right. As with any such issue, the will of the majority may be imposed on all through legislation that might restrict or prohibit smoking.
I appreciate your consideration. I imagine that if all smokers were as considerate as you, this thread would not exist. Apparently, the originator of this thread was disgruntled not so much by the fact that some people smoke as he was that a particular smoker had been quite INconsiderate in leaving the hotel room in a stinky mess. (Reference the closing words of his fourth point.)Snakum said:
I think we'd all be happy if smokers were just considerate, as you claim to be, of non-smokers. (OK, well, MOST of us would be happy with that, some folks refuse to be happy.) That seems to be all the poster really wants.
The arguments to "the right of every American to kill themselves in whatever manner they see fit" apply the same.Snakum said:
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Bailout
Stupidest thing? well my friend, check the
exhaust system of deisel engined trucks
since about 95...converters, dude...and
jet fuel is just clean deisel fuel.
The referance to the furs goes with most
of these kind of arguements...you won't
let anyone infringe on your right to do
anything you want...since you are morally
superior (like ted kennedy's gun
in the bedside drawer while trying to keep
the rest of us from having one). Yet as
soon as something offends you you will
rant and rave and try to outlaw the
offending behavior.
You and yours will be leaders
of the next political party in this country.
An organization fit to lead these United
States of the Offended to death by
inane lawsuits...the Whiners!
PS. I quit smoking. Someone has to live
long enough to fight the new age bs!
Stupidest thing? well my friend, check the
exhaust system of deisel engined trucks
since about 95...converters, dude...and
jet fuel is just clean deisel fuel.
The referance to the furs goes with most
of these kind of arguements...you won't
let anyone infringe on your right to do
anything you want...since you are morally
superior (like ted kennedy's gun
in the bedside drawer while trying to keep
the rest of us from having one). Yet as
soon as something offends you you will
rant and rave and try to outlaw the
offending behavior.
You and yours will be leaders
of the next political party in this country.
An organization fit to lead these United
States of the Offended to death by
inane lawsuits...the Whiners!
PS. I quit smoking. Someone has to live
long enough to fight the new age bs!
blott
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You ever stop to think whats in most of your tap water? Would you have thought 15 years ago you could sell "clean" water in a bottle for $1.00? Why is a gallon of gas cheaper than a gallon of water?
Most of you are talking about "non-smokers" rights-what about the smokers rights?
You all eat organic foods? Think about all the chems. you are ingesting.
What's that "haze" layer I see over cities? Smog? What's this BS about driving newer cars(lower emissions?) whats "lower" mean-is that like being stabbed twice instead of three times?
Where does most of the de-icing fluid go?
I'm not worried about a little second hand smoke, I'm worried about shooting myself when I'm torn up and trying to clean my gun.
B
Most of you are talking about "non-smokers" rights-what about the smokers rights?
You all eat organic foods? Think about all the chems. you are ingesting.
What's that "haze" layer I see over cities? Smog? What's this BS about driving newer cars(lower emissions?) whats "lower" mean-is that like being stabbed twice instead of three times?
Where does most of the de-icing fluid go?
I'm not worried about a little second hand smoke, I'm worried about shooting myself when I'm torn up and trying to clean my gun.
B
>>Stupidest thing? well my friend, check the
exhaust system of deisel engined trucks
since about 95...converters, dude...and
jet fuel is just clean deisel fuel.<<
Ok, that was a little harsh. But as an F.Y.I., its not the fuel in this case causing the CO, or NOx, its the combustion process of a reciprocating engine that causes this, not a Turbine. Long story, for another board.
I could care less if people smoke, as long as "MY" air isn't full of smoke. And when smokers complain about whining nonsmokers smelling the smoke, I lose it.
exhaust system of deisel engined trucks
since about 95...converters, dude...and
jet fuel is just clean deisel fuel.<<
Ok, that was a little harsh. But as an F.Y.I., its not the fuel in this case causing the CO, or NOx, its the combustion process of a reciprocating engine that causes this, not a Turbine. Long story, for another board.
I could care less if people smoke, as long as "MY" air isn't full of smoke. And when smokers complain about whining nonsmokers smelling the smoke, I lose it.
just curious, those of you so objectionable to pilots smoking, are you also that vehement against drinking in bars and restaurants? i don't mean in uniform, or anything. i'm more worried about, and in more danger from somebody having a few too many in the bar and plowing into me, than i am about second hand smoke and nasty breath.
in the cockpit, i'm just as offended by a bad cologne, or a nasty plate of chinese food, or tuna fish. but eventually, the smell dissipates.
lighten up, guys.
in the cockpit, i'm just as offended by a bad cologne, or a nasty plate of chinese food, or tuna fish. but eventually, the smell dissipates.
lighten up, guys.
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So you don't want to smell tobacco
smoke...okay! Clean air is a much,
much bigger issue.
But why the clean indoor air acts
like CA and NY? Let the consumers
choose a smoking or non-smoking
establishments...not make all rest-
raunts, taverns etc all nonsmoking
by government fiat...the individual
should have the right to choose!
And helmet laws...then governor of
WA Booth Gardener over-rode a vote
of the people repealing helmet laws
promising (among other things) lower
insurance rates...guess what, my
insurance went up...
there are four kinds of lies, you need
to include political promises.
smoke...okay! Clean air is a much,
much bigger issue.
But why the clean indoor air acts
like CA and NY? Let the consumers
choose a smoking or non-smoking
establishments...not make all rest-
raunts, taverns etc all nonsmoking
by government fiat...the individual
should have the right to choose!
And helmet laws...then governor of
WA Booth Gardener over-rode a vote
of the people repealing helmet laws
promising (among other things) lower
insurance rates...guess what, my
insurance went up...
there are four kinds of lies, you need
to include political promises.
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