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trainerjet
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Palerider957
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Actually many companies and municipalities are taking this no nicotine stance. I believe the foundation is the health care costs incurred from insuring smokers, not to mention the extra sick days smokers take off compared to non-smokers.
Employee groups are tired of having to pay extra premiums for smokers, even when they don't smoke.
Look at the military, no one is allowed to smoke in basic training and smoking is actively discouraged--again due to huge health care costs.
Employee groups are tired of having to pay extra premiums for smokers, even when they don't smoke.
Look at the military, no one is allowed to smoke in basic training and smoking is actively discouraged--again due to huge health care costs.
WrightAvia
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Yea...health care costs of smokers. The states sued to get money from big tobacco companies. Then that jack ass Jim Doyle, soon to ex-governor, took the money in a lump sum to pay off the state deficit. By negotiating a lump sum, the state sold their settlement for pennies on the dollar. No money left over to take care of the smokers. Guess it's time to sue again.
tittyjet
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Second hand smoke doesn't do any harm -- what a moron -- what a maroon.
I personally knew a retired TWA pilot who developed lung cancer later in life; he never smoked. His doctors (plural) told him in NO uncertain terms that all those years of being locked up with guys who smoked all day in the cockpit had a direct, causal relationship to him developing cancer.
I personally knew a retired TWA pilot who developed lung cancer later in life; he never smoked. His doctors (plural) told him in NO uncertain terms that all those years of being locked up with guys who smoked all day in the cockpit had a direct, causal relationship to him developing cancer.
Kneeboards Rock
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It's kind of funny how so many people from average Joes to corupt politicians are trying to ban smoking.
Just the other night I was driving home and I was forced off to the side of the road by someone who was obviously drunk. I happened to be smoking at the time. When I thought about it later while I was laying in bed, I remembered an overnight in Tampa last month. I found it ironic that I could not smoke in the bar/restaurant where someone could possibly get drunk enough to potentially kill someone that night.
When was the last time anyone got forced off to the side of the road by a smoker?
It seems our government (state, local, etc.) is telling us it's o.k. to kill someone tonight after drinking, but we don't want people to die after years of tobacco use. Our government tried to outlaw alcohol once, right? It didn't work.
I know that smoking puts me at risk for health problems in the future, but I do it anyway. Why? It's my choice.
I know that drinking alcohol also puts people at risk for health problems. Again, it's a choice.
I totally agree that a smoker has an obligation, especially in uniform, to use discretion on where he or she indulges. When I am in uniform I try to find the most secluded area I can to smoke. Ironically, most employee smoker areas at airports are in fairly hidden areas anyway, if they have one at all.
People are going to smoke. People are going to drink. Little kids are going to pee in pools. Management will screw workers. Gravity will make a 36-24-30 woman a 24-36-40. We are all going to die someday. Unfortunately, these are ALL facts. Life is too short as it is to worry about things we cannot change.
The next time some drunk runs you off the road, ask yourself if that smoker is REALLY bothering you.
Just the other night I was driving home and I was forced off to the side of the road by someone who was obviously drunk. I happened to be smoking at the time. When I thought about it later while I was laying in bed, I remembered an overnight in Tampa last month. I found it ironic that I could not smoke in the bar/restaurant where someone could possibly get drunk enough to potentially kill someone that night.
When was the last time anyone got forced off to the side of the road by a smoker?
It seems our government (state, local, etc.) is telling us it's o.k. to kill someone tonight after drinking, but we don't want people to die after years of tobacco use. Our government tried to outlaw alcohol once, right? It didn't work.
I know that smoking puts me at risk for health problems in the future, but I do it anyway. Why? It's my choice.
I know that drinking alcohol also puts people at risk for health problems. Again, it's a choice.
I totally agree that a smoker has an obligation, especially in uniform, to use discretion on where he or she indulges. When I am in uniform I try to find the most secluded area I can to smoke. Ironically, most employee smoker areas at airports are in fairly hidden areas anyway, if they have one at all.
People are going to smoke. People are going to drink. Little kids are going to pee in pools. Management will screw workers. Gravity will make a 36-24-30 woman a 24-36-40. We are all going to die someday. Unfortunately, these are ALL facts. Life is too short as it is to worry about things we cannot change.
The next time some drunk runs you off the road, ask yourself if that smoker is REALLY bothering you.
Freightdog75
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How is it legal for a company(Alaska Airlines) to not hire someone on the basis of being a tobacco user or not? That sounds to me like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
As far as being a smoker............Yup, I'm one. I fly 95% of the time single pilot so who cares about what I look like and smell like. When it does matter I always have gum/mint and don't usually wear the coat that I went to the bar in the night before.
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As far as being a smoker............Yup, I'm one. I fly 95% of the time single pilot so who cares about what I look like and smell like. When it does matter I always have gum/mint and don't usually wear the coat that I went to the bar in the night before.
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belchfire
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What a bunch a new age bull $hit! Any
of you buttwholes that are ranting about
clean air refuse to drive cars because of
what they do to the air? How bout this...
you are on an aviation wibsite, dipstick!
How many airplanes have catalitic
converters!!! Quit flying your airplane
around because of what they do to the
environment and I will listen to your idiotic
"eww, you are polluting my air with your
cigs" bull$hit! All the smokers in the planet
don't affect as much air as much as the man
made machinery does, so get off of it unless
your sole means of transport is a bike...and
look up the environmental costs of producing
that bike are before you come back! (and the
Nike factory in Malasia for that part).
There is nothing that pisses me off as much
as a feel good liberal telling someone that
they can't do something because it offends
them. What a crock of fuquing $hit! I wear
leather and eat beef and want to see you
puke when I send a stream of baccyjuice
on about a fifteen foot arc over the ramp!
All yall are full of frigging double standards
and it pi$$es me off! If I see you I will light
up the biggest, stinkiest stogie I can find till
you start practicing not doing any harm to the
air, trees, groundwater (let's see ya not crap
for the rest of your life) scorpions,
cockroaches, blackwidows, cyotes (after it
drags your kid off) brown recluses, gnats,
mosquitoes, blah blah and etc.
Is that a real fur you're wearing???
I'm a member of PETA...People for the Eating
of Tasty Animals!
of you buttwholes that are ranting about
clean air refuse to drive cars because of
what they do to the air? How bout this...
you are on an aviation wibsite, dipstick!
How many airplanes have catalitic
converters!!! Quit flying your airplane
around because of what they do to the
environment and I will listen to your idiotic
"eww, you are polluting my air with your
cigs" bull$hit! All the smokers in the planet
don't affect as much air as much as the man
made machinery does, so get off of it unless
your sole means of transport is a bike...and
look up the environmental costs of producing
that bike are before you come back! (and the
Nike factory in Malasia for that part).
There is nothing that pisses me off as much
as a feel good liberal telling someone that
they can't do something because it offends
them. What a crock of fuquing $hit! I wear
leather and eat beef and want to see you
puke when I send a stream of baccyjuice
on about a fifteen foot arc over the ramp!
All yall are full of frigging double standards
and it pi$$es me off! If I see you I will light
up the biggest, stinkiest stogie I can find till
you start practicing not doing any harm to the
air, trees, groundwater (let's see ya not crap
for the rest of your life) scorpions,
cockroaches, blackwidows, cyotes (after it
drags your kid off) brown recluses, gnats,
mosquitoes, blah blah and etc.
Is that a real fur you're wearing???
I'm a member of PETA...People for the Eating
of Tasty Animals!
A personal story about a pilot that smoked.
I got hired in 1980 by a company called Mississippi Valley. I took my new hire oral & flight check from the then director of training. During the oral, I was asked to recite from memory the cap panel lights on the Shorts 330. I got all but one of them and stoped. The director of training said, very good, but you are one short, then proceded to light a cig right in front of my face. "Um, Fire" I said, trembling. Correct! was his response, Lets go flying!
Fast forward about 20 years, to a 12 month sim check in the CRJ at ACA. My former mentor and I have been friends all this time and today we are paired together as co-captain training partners. I'm psyched, as since for the last decade we have both been senior captains and never got to fly together. Unfortunately for my mentor, the sim session is not going well. His attention to the profiles is off, and he is edgy. During the break (outside the building so he can smoke) he tells me he hasn't been well lately and apologises for not doing well. No problem I say, we will get through the ride together or come back to it another day.
Several weeks later I'm sitting in the crew lounge and a junior FO walks up to me. Do you know captain so and so? Sure do, been buddies for years, whatzup? Well, he is really missing things flying and told me to watch him closely as he doesn't feel well, should I go to pro standards on this? Um, yes, lets see what we can find out, I'll talk to capt X, you go to pro standards.
The next week I find out that my buddy, who has smoked all his life has lung cancer and is retiring immediately, years before the manditory age. My friend was buried less than 18 months later.
In a perfect world I would be going to his retirement party right about now. Instead, I went up a number years too early. All of his 401K money was spent fighting the cancer and for his last year of living expenses, leaving his wife pennyless.
Think about this guys, and leave the cancer sticks out of your life.
I got hired in 1980 by a company called Mississippi Valley. I took my new hire oral & flight check from the then director of training. During the oral, I was asked to recite from memory the cap panel lights on the Shorts 330. I got all but one of them and stoped. The director of training said, very good, but you are one short, then proceded to light a cig right in front of my face. "Um, Fire" I said, trembling. Correct! was his response, Lets go flying!
Fast forward about 20 years, to a 12 month sim check in the CRJ at ACA. My former mentor and I have been friends all this time and today we are paired together as co-captain training partners. I'm psyched, as since for the last decade we have both been senior captains and never got to fly together. Unfortunately for my mentor, the sim session is not going well. His attention to the profiles is off, and he is edgy. During the break (outside the building so he can smoke) he tells me he hasn't been well lately and apologises for not doing well. No problem I say, we will get through the ride together or come back to it another day.
Several weeks later I'm sitting in the crew lounge and a junior FO walks up to me. Do you know captain so and so? Sure do, been buddies for years, whatzup? Well, he is really missing things flying and told me to watch him closely as he doesn't feel well, should I go to pro standards on this? Um, yes, lets see what we can find out, I'll talk to capt X, you go to pro standards.
The next week I find out that my buddy, who has smoked all his life has lung cancer and is retiring immediately, years before the manditory age. My friend was buried less than 18 months later.
In a perfect world I would be going to his retirement party right about now. Instead, I went up a number years too early. All of his 401K money was spent fighting the cancer and for his last year of living expenses, leaving his wife pennyless.
Think about this guys, and leave the cancer sticks out of your life.
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