SkyWest voted no ALPA

[obadie]

Get over yourself.

You have no idea what the word SCAB means. You throw it around like you're some big tough guy. Learn some history b4 you start throwing that word around. If it applies, fine, but it doesn't here, so move on.

I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Uh huh....And should you go to work for Frontier, you are directly helping management undercut fellow WN pilots by having less than Greyhound fares from Denver to Hartford, Oklahoma, Omaha, St. Louis, and Tulsa.
When you speak of undercutting fellow pilots, are you talking about flying similar airplanes with similar passengers who would otherwise fly on other carriers more expensive routes, thereby "stealing business?"
Or by "fellow pilots" are you talking about undercutting members of your company union to which Cardinal refers?

You mean like the SkyWest pilots undercutting ASA (during negotiations) by agreeing to fly 76 seat -900s for nearly 50 seat pay, thus stealing the airplanes we were supposed to get, then invading our hub with them, shamelessly? Isn't that kind of like stealing another pilot's job?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just out of curiosity, do you know who invented the phrase and to whom he directed it?

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

 

[SkiFishFly]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

Or... He is future legacy airline management material "we have to gain market share. It is all about getting that market share..."

 

[Deerkiller]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

C'mon man. Give me a chance to get out of bed before you answer for me.

Some people might like this version as well:

http://dawn.thot.net/scab.html

 

[flygirlqt]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

Jack London also promoted a socialists society. Hardly a role model.

Speaking of undercutting, I wonder what he'd have to say about buying your job and paying for training?

PCL any help here ?

 

[Deerkiller]

Jack London also promoted a socialists society. Hardly a role model.

Speaking of undercutting, I wonder what he'd have to say about buying your job and paying for training?

PCL any help here ?

I don't recall anyone saying that Jack London was their role model.

Does anyone remember what this thread was about...oh yeah, SkyWest saying no to ALPA, again.

 

[flygirlqt]

I don't recall anyone saying that Jack London was their role model.

Does anyone remember what this thread was about...oh yeah, SkyWest saying no to ALPA, again.

His verse is a role model though for ALPA and some of the more rabid union pilots. London is a particularly bad author to associate unionism with. No matter what he wrote.

 

[samballs]

Speaking of asinine comments, since when did being a fan of a certain team make you more intelligent? If that were the case, then everyone who cheers for "The" Ohio State University should be in an asylum.

That said, I never claimed ALPA was "that great" it's members were "better pilots", or "better [people]". I simply pointed out that the SkyWest pilots just flipped off all of the unionized pilots in the industry. So get a life and feel free to post more. GO BLUE!

You realize speaking bad about us OSU fans is like saying I'm gonna hurt the president over the phone, little men show up at your house and make you think some weird thoughts..

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Skywest pilots do not need any ALPA merger policy in the way of their next acquisition. Skywest has $500M ready to use. ALPA would just mess it up.

Screw ALPA before they screw you. Ask the US Air guys what they think of ALPA merger policy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Jack London also promoted a socialists society. Hardly a role model.

Speaking of undercutting, I wonder what he'd have to say about buying your job and paying for training?

PCL any help here ?

Your user name suggests female....

If you decided to have a baby would you like three years off with your job secure when you came back... or do you like the 6 weeks... plus some FMLA...?

Simply put the Skywest pilots think market forces are fine.... they want to buffer zone, no protection...

unions are democratic protection zones... they are articfical counter forces to market forces.. unions don't control market forces but yet many think they do or should...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Skywest pilots do not need any ALPA merger policy in the way of their next acquisition. Skywest has $500M ready to use. ALPA would just mess it up.

Screw ALPA before they screw you. Ask the US Air guys what they think of ALPA merger policy.

Expectations not being met?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ASA better make sure that the wording of the scope against the parents company is airtight. If not the his just given SKW the green light to whipsaw the heck out of these two groups.
Best of luck. You will all need it.

 

[JohnQ]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

Well if Jack London stated that then he was plain wrong (though I love his "Ode to a SCAB"). A scab is one thing and one thing only: a worker who performs struck work in defiance of the union's legal order to strike.

His "intentionally sold for less is a scab" accusation (if true) is ludicrous. Using that logic, we should all still be paying $400 for basic calculators that only do the four basic math functions--after all, no vendor should ever "undercut" their rivals with cheaper, more functional products, right? Or we should still pay $50 for ballpoint pens! Etc. etc. a million times over. That kind of thinking comes right out of Das Kapital, but shouldn't be even contemplated in a capitalist society.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Firstly, he didn't say "should never be hired."

Further, one can't throw out the baby with the bathwater, as nobody knows who the 65% are. And it's difficult to broach such a subject in an interview, so the point is really quite moot.

But imagine yourself looking across the table at a pilot applicant, and there's a 65% chance he just told your union to get bent. How can there be any expectation of future unity? This guy is going to stand shoulder to shoulder with you on a picket line on a 0 degree day? It's difficult to picture.

Clever, classy name calling, by the way.

Card,
It's quite simple, implore ALPA national to have the SKYW OC list at a phone number that a hiring committee member can call as soon as he sees SKYW pilot on the application. A quick smoke break or trip to the head and dial will tell you who you are dealing with, name on list, interview away, not on list ?????, decide for him/her self. I agree ALPA is not perfect, but the alternative is far worse than any lacking ALPA national may have. Do you really want someone who is only out for himself and quite clueless on how to achieve that goal. ALPA is the vehicle that every single member can make sure that they get the very best deal personally. If we bargain together, we bargain from a position of strength, individually, management and their billion in the bank will preserve their position, and most likely better it.
PBR

 

[capt. megadeth]

Uh huh....And should you go to work for Frontier, you are directly helping management undercut fellow WN pilots by having less than Greyhound fares from Denver to Hartford, Oklahoma, Omaha, St. Louis, and Tulsa.

The words Southwest Airlines and predatory pricing are synonymous so WTF are you talking about?

Southwest is KING of undercutting....it's about time someone beats them at their own game.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well if Jack London stated that then he was plain wrong (though I love his "Ode to a SCAB"). A scab is one thing and one thing only: a worker who performs struck work in defiance of the union's legal order to strike.

His "intentionally sold for less is a scab" accusation (if true) is ludicrous. Using that logic, we should all still be paying $400 for basic calculators that only do the four basic math functions--after all, no vendor should ever "undercut" their rivals with cheaper, more functional products, right? Or we should still pay $50 for ballpoint pens! Etc. etc. a million times over. That kind of thinking comes right out of Das Kapital, but shouldn't be even contemplated in a capitalist society.

Thus.... companies should compete... not labor...

and yet that is what companies what us to do...

 

[120% Torque]

The major airline MEC's need to negotiate with their individual companies a policy that non Alpa airline pilots do not qualify for interviews. I guarentee the Skywests and Colgan weenies would then think a little harder on how they approach this issue.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA is currently working on fixing the FMLA law so that pilots and FA's will be included... another free ride for the SKYW and Colganites...

 

[capt. megadeth]

The major airline MEC's need to negotiate with their individual companies a policy that non Alpa airline pilots do not qualify for interviews. I guarentee the Skywests and Colgan weenies would then think a little harder on how they approach this issue.

I see your point however, people need to remember that there are people at these airlines that voted FOR the union.....you cannot screw them because the majority are bafoons.